Re: Fans forum - Tuesday 31 August : Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:10 am  

muttywhitedog wrote:

Possibly in a "You are going to be trained hard to remove that blubber" kind of way, and the additional training may have been a contributory factor in doing his hip in. Civil Law is based on a balance of probability and if the club were 51% to blame for training him, whilst he was 49% to blame for letting himself get into a condition that he needed training, he'd win.

The first bit of what you said is pretty much how it was put, that their handling of his preseason and getting him ready pushed it too far.

[DaveO]

Re: Fans forum - Tuesday 31 August : Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:21 am  

Wigg'n wrote:

There’s been far too many poor decisions regarding the playing squad for Rads/IL/head coach not to take blame for the lack of recent success and a poor season that will result in losing a lot of fans. The sum of these decisions cannot be blamed on “bad luck”.

I’m not that bothered about him but the situation around Hankinson seemed bizarre and conflicting messages that seemed like we didn’t know the detail.

Both French and Field arrived as square pegs in round holes with seemingly no real clue where to play them. Luckily French found some great form at FB whilst wearing the 6 shirt after starting on the wing.

Add onto that moving on Davies and Sarginson which seemed rash at the time and even worse now. Both in England squads after leaving.

Signing a 30 year old centre who plays for a relegated club to replace a 25 year old international.

The as mentioned Tony Clubb extension. Signing Clark and Bullock, two of the worst props in the league. Navarette was awful. Tautai

Sammut signing was bizzare.

We’ve won nearly all of the U19s championships in the last 10 years but now have a bunch of slightly above-average youngsters. I can’t pick one that I could safely say will be a regular international in the future. What is going wrong?

Agreed. It's OK describing at a fans forum numerous people are involved with identifying players the club signs with IL and Rads having final sign off but how much acknowledgement if any was made of the issues above? Where they trying to share the blame for bad decisions amongst the collective and do they even realise many if not most of the fans think decisions like signing Thornley (again) are a rubbish move? They appear to have a process in place but don't seem to realise it quite often delivers bad results.

Re: Fans forum - Tuesday 31 August : Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:40 am  

Not sure they're too concerned with who fans think we should sign especially given some of the names banded around on here.

Re: Fans forum - Tuesday 31 August : Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:51 am  

DaveO wrote:

Agreed. It's OK describing at a fans forum numerous people are involved with identifying players the club signs with IL and Rads having final sign off but how much acknowledgement if any was made of the issues above? Where they trying to share the blame for bad decisions amongst the collective and do they even realise many if not most of the fans think decisions like signing Thornley (again) are a rubbish move? They appear to have a process in place but don't seem to realise it quite often delivers bad results.

Come on Dave

First it was bad when people thought it was IL/KR only signed the players so lets have a go at them
Now because they say there are others in the process its they're deflecting blame so we'll have a go at them.

I'm sure IL would love to go and sign lattrell Mitchell, we haven't got the money and he wouldn't come etc etc

I've said it before, I will blame IL/KR for asking Lam to be there for 1 Yr, then subsequently extending it when the Edwards fiasco hit.
I do blame IL/KR for announcing Edwards without having his name on a contract and all details agreed, especially when they get stick normally for dotting i's and crossing t's and not announcing stuff earlier on most other things.

But the current trend of blaming rhem for everything is poor form.

We have failed do get the best out of virtually every player and every junior over the last 3 years with a lot actually regressing.
I blame Lam for that, but I blame IL/Rads for appointing/sticking with him too long.

We cant change the owners as easy, we need a strong coach and coaching set up that will oversee thigs and get us back on track (Look at the transformation at Saints since Holbrook came in, even with same owners that were getting flak for the previous 6/7 years whilst Wigan were doing so well).

The added complications of covid/less income/other rfl&sl issues make it a poor time to be struggling, but the overwhelming thingbi took away from the evening was that a lot of people are working very hard to get us through it and come out the other end "Relatively" unscathed and in a better position than most.

[Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy]

Re: Fans forum - Tuesday 31 August : Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:42 pm  

Details finally here. https://wiganwarriors.com/blog/2021/09/03/fans-forum-the-first-hour/

Details finally here. https://wiganwarriors.com/blog/2021/09/03/fans-forum-the-first-hour/

Re: Fans forum - Tuesday 31 August : Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:45 pm  

I’ve read both articles and it may sound like I’m backtracking here but I’m relieved and encouraged. I’m glad at their brutal honesty at the situation of the club, the future and everything else (I’m not getting into the Edwards saga of which I know little about).

It should have either been live streamed or made available on Wigan TV but it is what it is. Most of my frustration was borne from a poor season topped with the - at the time - closed shop ‘fans forum’.

The future is bright for Wigan. I believe that 100%. We have the squad and set up for it to be so. We aren’t going back to 2005/06. We’ve made signings where needed, looking at signing more and appointing a new Head Coach, which by the looks of what IFL said isn’t Shaun Wane. What we all need to do now is get through 2021 and look forward to 2022. The potential for this team is clear to see.

Re: Fans forum - Tuesday 31 August : Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:46 pm  

Glad this has been made public now. Maybe a lesson for the club to at least put out a holding message next time letting people know it was coming. Got to say I'm disappointed with Hardaker. I'd like to think if an employer took a chance on me after doing all the things he has done, that I would need a much better reason that that to try to get an early contract release. Not quite on the same scale but it reminds me of what Hock did. We got some good performances out of both but there's no appreciation there for the club going out on a limb.

I was worried when they said only £73k left under the budget before KR corrected that we had money for a halfback on top of that! George Williams - it's funny how no one ever wants to 'try a new challenge' for the same money or less.

Re: Fans forum - Tuesday 31 August : Fri Sep 03, 2021 7:10 pm  

Wigg'n wrote:

Add onto that moving on Davies and Sarginson

Pretty sure both left of their own accord. The club didn't want rid of either as far as I'm aware. Davies was the third best winger at the time and left to somewhere he would be a starter. Sarginson more about making a new start after a bereavement as I understand it.

Re: Fans forum - Tuesday 31 August : Fri Sep 03, 2021 7:20 pm  

Grimmy wrote:

Glad this has been made public now. Maybe a lesson for the club to at least put out a holding message next time letting people know it was coming. Got to say I'm disappointed with Hardaker. I'd like to think if an employer took a chance on me after doing all the things he has done, that I would need a much better reason that that to try to get an early contract release. Not quite on the same scale but it reminds me of what Hock did. We got some good performances out of both but there's no appreciation there for the club going out on a limb.

I was worried when they said only £73k left under the budget before KR corrected that we had money for a halfback on top of that! George Williams - it's funny how no one ever wants to 'try a new challenge' for the same money or less.

I’m hoping when they talk about player welfare but maybe being too nice in the past is a nod towards telling Hardaker to get his head down. If he wants to live in Yorkshire that’s his choice but his job is at Wigan and he has a contract. He’s a very good player and the club can’t just roll over. At his best he’s one of the best players in the league, so if Cas, Wakey or whoever want him, we should be getting either a healthy amount of cash or we should be getting a player of a similar standing in return. There’s not many Zak Hardakers at Cas or Wakey but guys like Trueman, Evalds or Tom Johnston should be in any conversation or they should be told where to go.

Re: Fans forum - Tuesday 31 August : Fri Sep 03, 2021 7:45 pm  

Sounds like 2 years of hell.
You cannot complain now. That is a mirror on the situation of the club at the minute.

Time to get behind them.
And whoever the feck is ringing the ticket office and giving the staff their poop wants to hang their heads in shame!!