Re: Team for Saints (CC) : Wed May 11, 2022 5:42 pm  

MadDogg wrote:

That's debatable for me - Smithies is a few years younger and outplayed him on Saturday. No way I would want to swap him atm with the progress he's made this year.

So you're basing it on one game ? Lets see how goes the rest of the year eh?.

Re: Team for Saints (CC) : Wed May 11, 2022 5:49 pm  

thesaint62 wrote:

He'd walk in to your team

And Havard would walk into yours. That doesn't make him some kind of superstar just yet. Knowles is a good player. I'll even accept a very good player by superleague standards. But the amount of hype surrounding him is completely off the scale for what amounts to a grafter. As I say, we aren't talking a Sculthorpe or an O'Loughlin here. He never has, and probably never will given he's already in his mid 20s, be able to take a game by the scruff of the neck and win it 'single handedly' as those two could.

There have been many grafters throughout rugby league who would walk into practically any side because all sides need them. But let's not talk them up beyond what they are! Jammer's comments hit the nail squarely on the head. In a team of quality, the Knowles' of this world allow the star players to do their thing. That doesn't qualify them as being among their ranks. Smithies, for us, is doing a similar job. His graft allows the likes of French, Field or Farrell to do their thing. It doesn't put him in the same bracket as them.

Re: Team for Saints (CC) : Wed May 11, 2022 5:52 pm  

thesaint62 wrote:

So you're basing it on one game ? Lets see how goes the rest of the year eh?.

To be fair, he's been doing it all year and we're nearly half way through the season.

Re: Team for Saints (CC) : Wed May 11, 2022 6:01 pm  

thesaint62 wrote:

So you're basing it on one game ? Lets see how goes the rest of the year eh?.

Smithies has been excellent this season, so from that side it isn’t one game but I get what you’re saying head to head. We’ve had a great victory against you but we still have to be sensible. As things stand Knowles gets in a side in front of Smithies and even you wanted to play both, you could put Knowles at prop, no worries whatsoever.

He’ll challenge Knowles in time though will Smithies IMO.

Re: Team for Saints (CC) : Wed May 11, 2022 6:06 pm  

Phuzzy wrote:

And Havard would walk into yours. That doesn't make him some kind of superstar just yet. Knowles is a good player. I'll even accept a very good player by superleague standards. But the amount of hype surrounding him is completely off the scale for what amounts to a grafter. As I say, we aren't talking a Sculthorpe or an O'Loughlin here. He never has, and probably never will given he's already in his mid 20s, be able to take a game by the scruff of the neck and win it 'single handedly' as those two could.

There have been many grafters throughout rugby league who would walk into practically any side because all sides need them. But let's not talk them up beyond what they are! Jammer's comments hit the nail squarely on the head. In a team of quality, the Knowles' of this world allow the star players to do their thing. That doesn't qualify them as being among their ranks. Smithies, for us, is doing a similar job. His graft allows the likes of French, Field or Farrell to do their thing. It doesn't put him in the same bracket as them.

Havard would get in Saints team ?? Behave

Re: Team for Saints (CC) : Wed May 11, 2022 6:20 pm  

thesaint62 wrote:

Havard would get in Saints team ?? Behave

He's better than Lees and LMS, so yes he would.

Re: Team for Saints (CC) : Wed May 11, 2022 6:26 pm  

Phuzzy wrote:

He's better than Lees and LMS, so yes he would.

You need to take more water with it pal

Re: Team for Saints (CC) : Wed May 11, 2022 6:44 pm  

I’ve been honest on Knowles and I’ll be honest on Havard. Saints would absolutely love to have him, as would any other superleague side and many Down Under. He’s far from the finished article but he’s a very good player already. Scary to think how good he’d have been in a Saints side alongside guys like Walmsley, Knowles and Paasi these past couple of seasons.

Re: Team for Saints (CC) : Wed May 11, 2022 7:09 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

I’ve been honest on Knowles and I’ll be honest on Havard. Saints would absolutely love to have him, as would any other superleague side and many Down Under. He’s far from the finished article but he’s a very good player already. Scary to think how good he’d have been in a Saints side alongside guys like Walmsley, Knowles and Paasi these past couple of seasons.

Melbourne were up for signing Havard before his injury so he would walk into any team i think that it's just a matter of time before he goes down under and he would rip it up over there

Re: Team for Saints (CC) : Wed May 11, 2022 7:42 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

He would indeed but I don’t think it’s the point he’s making. It goes back to Wilkins comments saying he thinks he’s gone past O’Loughlins best level already. That’s absolutely not the case, even though I personally do rate Knowles very highly and have him down as one the leagues best players.

Did Wilkin say that?!

I thought the talk about Knowles being the best player in the league was bad but that is another level

I make a point to keep an eye on him now but I don't see much above what phuzzy is saying. He's good but lockers is an all time great, comparing Knowles to him is crazy.

And yeah, if Havard played for saints wilkin would be saying he's better than Jamie Peacock.