Re: v Hull FC : Wed May 05, 2021 10:11 am  

Both Hock and Hardacker where coke heads put the club put a lot of money to reabiliate them so making a racist jibe isnt going to get the sack!

Re: v Hull FC : Wed May 05, 2021 10:28 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

Bang on and I’d like to see the club go a step further and offer education/support to the full squad. This was Clubbs mistake but do I think it could’ve been one of the other players? Absolutely.

Use it as a way of drawing a line in the sand and let it act as a wake up call to the whole club. Stopping posting on social media or asking the players to get down on one knee pre game won’t educate them or support them going forward. On the rugby side of things I’d have Clubb out yesterday but this isn’t about rugby.

Correct

Re: v Hull FC : Wed May 05, 2021 10:31 am  

Grimmy wrote:

There is also the employment law aspect of it. Clubb appears to have been found guilty by an RFL tribunal 'on the balance of probability'. That is clearly the level of proof required to ban and fine someone, and I doubt Clubb paid for legal representation, because it wouldn't be worth it to avoid a £500 fine.

Compare that with dismissing someone. I'm not sure that the level of proof will be 'balance of probability'. Bare in mind that the club have probably said very positive things about his character during that tribunal, which he could now use against them if they tried to say he is racist after all. The lost earnings would be enough to make it worth Clubb hiring a solicitor to bring an unfair dismissal claim against Wigan if he has a case. Much less risky for Wigan to put him on an equality and diversity course then just to wait a few months until his contract expires anyway. They don't have to select him, they could even pay up the rest of his contract and tell him he is surplus to requirements for performance reasons.

I agree 100% with the first 3/4 of the post
But when you start getting into shoulda woulda couldas it starts to muddy waters and creates perception that your doing x because of y etc.

The length remaining on his contract is irrelevant IMO, we should treat him the same whether he has 6months or 3 years left on the deal.

Re: v Hull FC : Wed May 05, 2021 10:32 am  

MR FRISK wrote:

Both Hock and Hardacker where coke heads put the club put a lot of money to reabiliate them so making a racist jibe isnt going to get the sack!

Grow up

Re: v Hull FC : Wed May 05, 2021 12:41 pm  

Further sanctions from the club for Clubb

Further sanctions from the club for Clubb

[Pemps]

Re: v Hull FC : Wed May 05, 2021 12:49 pm  

CM Punk wrote: Further sanctions from the club for Clubb The club's fine is heavier than the RFL's. I'm happy with the outcome here. As has been said before, to sack him could be harsh. He's made a mistake, granted a terrible one, and it seems that he's held his hands up. Obviously Savelio is the victim here but the club, and game as a whole could learn from this. By the very fact that a lot of people don't see any racist connotation in what he said tells us that education on these matters needs to improve.

CM Punk wrote: Further sanctions from the club for Clubb The club's fine is heavier than the RFL's. I'm happy with the outcome here. As has been said before, to sack him could be harsh. He's made a mistake, granted a terrible one, and it seems that he's held his hands up. Obviously Savelio is the victim here but the club, and game as a whole could learn from this. By the very fact that a lot of people don't see any racist connotation in what he said tells us that education on these matters needs to improve.

Re: v Hull FC : Wed May 05, 2021 12:59 pm  

Pemps wrote:

The club's fine is heavier than the RFL's.

I'm happy with the outcome here. As has been said before, to sack him could be harsh. He's made a mistake, granted a terrible one, and it seems that he's held his hands up. Obviously Savelio is the victim here but the club, and game as a whole could learn from this. By the very fact that a lot of people don't see any racist connotation in what he said tells us that education on these matters needs to improve.

What will education do tho? It almost falls into the realms of speed awareness courses i.e people go on the course and ultimately forget about them after a few days later. In many ways they take the course as it's soft option Vs real punishment.

Let's be realistic - if a person is racist, homophobic etc then sitting in a classroom for a couple of weeks isn't going to change their outlook on life.

Re: v Hull FC : Wed May 05, 2021 1:25 pm  

One of the things I find most astonishing is that during the match, as its all kicking off and during the 'heat of the moment' Clubb came out with 'Polynesian'.

That's up there with Antipodean.

Re: v Hull FC : Wed May 05, 2021 2:19 pm  

Pemps wrote:

The club's fine is heavier than the RFL's.

I'm happy with the outcome here. As has been said before, to sack him could be harsh. He's made a mistake, granted a terrible one, and it seems that he's held his hands up. Obviously Savelio is the victim here but the club, and game as a whole could learn from this. By the very fact that a lot of people don't see any racist connotation in what he said tells us that education on these matters needs to improve.

Personally think the punishment is lenient - I definitely think Clubb should have publicly apologised.

Re: v Hull FC : Wed May 05, 2021 2:20 pm  

MadDogg wrote:

Personally think the punishment is lenient - I definitely think Clubb should have publicly apologised.

Hopefully that will be forthcoming, especially with us playing them again on Sat