[DaveO]

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:39 pm  

Last Son of Wigan wrote:

Is this a joke? It's a forwards game, each time a ruck or maul is formed it can take up the entire pack leaving only the backs out wide.

That is not how the All Blacks play it. They have moved away from rucking and mauling as much as they can and so have numbers out on the outside.

Secondly, with more kicking the game is more open as there is no line pre-set like there is in league, which creates far more room, the line in open play is often broke.

Hence more room.

The kicks tend to be for touch not like kicking in RL to turn the player around. A couple of years ago I went to a Leinster v Munster derby game in Dublin. It was a kick-fest with kicks that didn't find touch hoofed right back the other way. It was like ping-pong.

Guess how many tries were scored that day? None. The kicks just didn't result in any open play at all.

If an RU if a back is isolated in his own half 99 times out of 100 he will kick the ball away regardless of how open the field is in front of him.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:51 pm  

DaveO wrote:

That is not how the All Blacks play it. They have moved away from rucking and mauling as much as they can and so have numbers out on the outside.

The kicks tend to be for touch not like kicking in RL to turn the player around. A couple of years ago I went to a Leinster v Munster derby game in Dublin. It was a kick-fest with kicks that didn't find touch hoofed right back the other way. It was like ping-pong.

Guess how many tries were scored that day? None. The kicks just didn't result in any open play at all.

If an RU if a back is isolated in his own half 99 times out of 100 he will kick the ball away regardless of how open the field is in front of him.

Honestly, I'm not even bothering with this. 'That's not how the All Blacks play it' oddly enough Sam wouldn't be playing the best RU team ever week in week out.

The forwards maul/ruck, leaves space outwide for backs, becomes less men v less men. No resets after each tackle doesn't allow the line to re set, this creates a broken line which Sam would relish. The kicks often don't find touch, this again causes open play as the forwards are slower to get back into position.

Additionally Union forwards are slower, easier targets for a quick-footed back like Sam.

Look at backs like Robinson and even Ashton in Union, their attacking play often came from slicing through a broken line.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:01 pm  

Last Son of Wigan wrote:

More space in Union, he'd rip them apart in open play.

eh?

15 a side

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:16 pm  

space in union depends on how effective the defensive team is in the ruck NZ doing it really well and don't get sucked in but disrupt and turn over enough with out pilling players in the ruck. Also you don't really see the ball being spread around at lot as usually you get turned over or don't control the ruck well enough, another thing the all blacks are good at is getting to a ruck.

ashton has a massive conversion rate of try scoring to touches of the ball and Tomkins would eclipse him so he would be a success in unions eyes but for us watching it would look like he does nothing all game apart from touch the ball 3 or 4 times and score a try.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:02 pm  

dubairl wrote:

space in union depends on how effective the defensive team is in the ruck NZ doing it really well and don't get sucked in but disrupt and turn over enough with out pilling players in the ruck. Also you don't really see the ball being spread around at lot as usually you get turned over or don't control the ruck well enough, another thing the all blacks are good at is getting to a ruck.

ashton has a massive conversion rate of try scoring to touches of the ball and Tomkins would eclipse him so he would be a success in unions eyes but for us watching it would look like he does nothing all game apart from touch the ball 3 or 4 times and score a try.

It's depressing seeing how much Eastmond got the ball last season compared to his involvement in rugby league games, I recall him hardly being involved in a game apart from receiving the ball in space and scoring a try yet his whole performance for that match was considered great just based on him converting the singular opportunity he got to attack.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:16 pm  

TrentBarrett wrote:

It's depressing seeing how much Eastmond got the ball last season compared to his involvement in rugby league games, I recall him hardly being involved in a game apart from receiving the ball in space and scoring a try yet his whole performance for that match was considered great just based on him converting the singular opportunity he got to attack.

it has the same mentality as under 9's rugby that the point scorers get all the credit. Its horrible but some times there is a good game of union but usually its dull and boring but the press are all ex grammar/private school boys and wouldn't dare be negative towards it. The social side to union beats league by a mile.

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:51 pm  

Isn't this supposed to be Rumours and Signings .....

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:02 pm  

ray13 wrote:

Isn't this supposed to be Rumours and Signings .....

got any?

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:13 pm  

dubairl wrote:

got any?

I seen somebody mention Kaufusi on Facebook. He'd certainly be a player I'd consider but we'd need more from him then he's shown at London.

*just thought I'd try and get the thread going again*

Re: Rumours and signings v9 : Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:15 pm  

Shaun Wane has been spotted buying Justin Carney Steak Pudding, Large Chips, Peas, Gravy and a tin of Irn Bru at a chippy in Shev tonight... He wanted a fish but Shaun told him to get lost

Watch this space, announcement very soon.