[Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy]

Re: Fans forum - Tuesday 31 August : Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:16 am  

Jukesays wrote:

I'm gutted, Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't think I was so naive
I'll make sure I let everyone I know that was there know they're mugs as well.

I believed IL when he told me the financial situation, the reduced income, how the shortfall was met, will be met this year and their forecast for 2020. Their intentions of things went well, and what if they didn't.
I believed him/rads when they told us some average stuff about Hardaker
I believed him when he told me bad news on numerous fronts
I'll just remember now that it was ALL lies

They should have listened to the mystery guy in row 2 who didn't when he got chance call out the lies, but instead preferred to text his mate who in turn won't actually explain what lies they told, but is alright calling everyone that went in effect mugs.

How did your mate feel being used? Is he a Mug?

You obviously like your cryptic posts, fair enough
I'll do it a bit more straight forward

Once again, just point out which bit was lies, give us this "list".

I've already given a list - it should be pretty obvious that if I go into detail it would identify the person involved in the Edwards situation which I'm clearly not going to do. They had absolutely no reason to tell me what they did ( I didn't know they were involved first hand until they told me), but it doesn't show the cub in a very good light, and events since continue that trend.

Re: Fans forum - Tuesday 31 August : Thu Sep 02, 2021 8:53 am  

Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy wrote:

I've already given a list - it should be pretty obvious that if I go into detail it would identify the person involved in the Edwards situation which I'm clearly not going to do. They had absolutely no reason to tell me what they did ( I didn't know they were involved first hand until they told me), but it doesn't show the cub in a very good light, and events since continue that trend.

Without trawling through all the posts again, I dont think you have provided a "list".
I still say, based on what Rads said, it would be very easy to point out which bit or bits he said was a lie.(Bearing in mind I have nonidea what your mystery man told you IL/Rads said?).

TBH the whole Edwards thing lasted less then 2 mins, Rads had 90secs max were he didn't back IL against anything to do with contracts, the process etc etc.,

He only refuted/disagreed with 2 statements that Edwards made at the time or shortly after the event and he explained why.
Neither of which are mind blowing, they're both a he said/she said situation and IMO hardly worth worrying about.
It would be easy to say henlied about x, and based on what he said I'm not sure how it would get anyone in any trouble but hey ho.
Interestingly enough my best mate is a mate of Edwards and he told me about a month ago what Edwards told him. It is what it is.

IMO I don't think IL/Rads told the whole truth on a couple of points last night because "I Know" certain things. I do however understand that there may be reasons for that, contractual, legal etc. And probably more importantly because we still have to deal with people involved in those situations. And from my point of view I'm not that desperate to come on a forum and call them out, prove them wrong etc because I understand that a/ i may not be right b/complex situations aren't usually black and white, right and wrong and opinions/context etc play big parts.

I also wouldn't want to betray confidences etc.
But I won't come on here and call them Liars etc though, I just accept that there will always be an element of grey about situations.

[Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy]

Re: Fans forum - Tuesday 31 August : Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:16 am  

Jukesays wrote:

Without trawling through all the posts again, I dont think you have provided a "list".
I still say, based on what Rads said, it would be very easy to point out which bit or bits he said was a lie.(Bearing in mind I have nonidea what your mystery man told you IL/Rads said?).

TBH the whole Edwards thing lasted less then 2 mins, Rads had 90secs max were he didn't back IL against anything to do with contracts, the process etc etc.,

He only refuted/disagreed with 2 statements that Edwards made at the time or shortly after the event and he explained why.
Neither of which are mind blowing, they're both a he said/she said situation and IMO hardly worth worrying about.
It would be easy to say henlied about x, and based on what he said I'm not sure how it would get anyone in any trouble but hey ho.
Interestingly enough my best mate is a mate of Edwards and he told me about a month ago what Edwards told him. It is what it is.

IMO I don't think IL/Rads told the whole truth on a couple of points last night because "I Know" certain things. I do however understand that there may be reasons for that, contractual, legal etc. And probably more importantly because we still have to deal with people involved in those situations. And from my point of view I'm not that desperate to come on a forum and call them out, prove them wrong etc because I understand that a/ i may not be right b/complex situations aren't usually black and white, right and wrong and opinions/context etc play big parts.

I also wouldn't want to betray confidences etc.
But I won't come on here and call them Liars etc though, I just accept that there will always be an element of grey about situations.

There weren't any grey areas in terms of Edwards - it was black and white, hence why I called them out. The club said they would do something during the forum in terms of communication - they didn't, again black and white.

Re: Fans forum - Tuesday 31 August : Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:17 am  

"my mate told me something but i'm not going to tell you what he told me or who he is, but he told me"

Aaaaah. That old chestnut.

Re: Fans forum - Tuesday 31 August : Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:17 am  

I still think it's ridiculous that there has been a blackout around the fans forum. I'm getting a bit sick of cryptic posts. Either share what you know or don't say anything at all. There will be plenty of frustrated people who would have liked to have gone and got answers but couldn't because of other commitments, including myself. However, the club stated there would be live updates on Twitter, which did not materialise, and now there are still no updates two days later. I find all the cloak and dagger secrecy VERY weird!! It's all well and good people posting on Twitter that they're happy and it was open and transparent, but it's clearly not is it. What about the hundreds/thousands of fans who are regularly investing time and money into the club, yet still being kept in the dark? I feel personally that season ticket holders are treated with contempt and have been some time, as we are merely seen as 'guaranteed income' and i'm getting sick of it. I've felt disillusioned for some time now and the only reason i've renewed over the past couple of seasons is to keep my season ticket seat, however with it currently being in the 'red zone' and those being the only seats that are unavailable, i'm becoming increasingly less likely to renew next season.

[Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy]

Re: Fans forum - Tuesday 31 August : Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:22 am  

I have to say it's a unique way of communicating with fans - say you're doing a fans forum at short notice, confirm the (unpopular?) coach is leaving a few hour before, limit it to 120 people, say you'll provide updates and then don't, ask the 120 to "keep our little secrets" and two days later have no official confirmation of ANY information that was said and given out.

Re: Fans forum - Tuesday 31 August : Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:24 am  

its caused more questions than answers, kind of counter productive

Re: Fans forum - Tuesday 31 August : Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:27 am  

Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy wrote:

I have to say it's a unique way of communicating with fans - say you're doing a fans forum at short notice, confirm the (unpopular?) coach is leaving a few hour before, limit it to 120 people, say you'll provide updates and then don't, ask the 120 to "keep our little secrets" and two days later have no official confirmation of ANY information that was said and given out.

They don't help themselves sometimes do they.

Re: Fans forum - Tuesday 31 August : Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:31 am  

Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy wrote:

There weren't any grey areas in terms of Edwards - it was black and white, hence why I called them out. The club said they would do something during the forum in terms of communication - they didn't, again black and white.

You didn't really call them out though did you?
Your mate on the night didn't either?

You've just called them liars and then won't tell anyone why whilst insinuatiing that EVERYTHIG they told us with lies, coupled with petty name calling of thise that went.

[Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy]

Re: Fans forum - Tuesday 31 August : Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:35 am  

Jukesays wrote:

You didn't really call them out though did you?
Your mate on the night didn't either?

You've just called them liars and then won't tell anyone why

I've called them out on here.

The person at the forum doesn't know the detailed info I have about the Edwards situation.

I've already said the info they gave out about Edwards is incorrect.