: Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:36 pm  

I can see the way this is going. The other clubs are signing decent Aussies we will be scraping the bottom of the barrell again and sign 3 or 4 players in the wrong positions.

Get rid of the deadwood - Bailey, Carmont, Coley, Smith.

It would be nice if we could get some sort of mutual agreement with Roberts and Riddell to terminate their contracts and send them back home like we did with Barrett.

Sign one decent prop (workhorse) and get the young kids in all the other positions. Ok we you will not get the instant results next year but you will see the benefits two or three years down the line.

: Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:40 pm  

MadDogg wrote:

From your past posts I get the impression you're more 'in the know' than most others on these forums - can you say which players Wigan are negotiating with and how close we are to signing any players?

I just say what I'm told. We were negotiating with Darrell Griffin a few weeks ago but they wanted O'Carroll for good and Mossop on loan for rest of year but we wouldn't let it and it fell through.
The thing with Darrell Griffin is he is average and if he came to Wigan he wouldn't be anything special but if he went to Saints or Leeds he would be a superstar thats what annoys me.

If IL is serious about rebuilding this great club he needs to get the right players, you can sign all your Baileys, Coleys, Riddells, Roberts etc but they are just steady eddies and nothing special we need great players in the making. Those players won't take us forward.

We need Darren Lockyer.

LMS is one of those good players in the making and he doesnt seem to have a massive ego where someone like Burgess would have although I wouldn't mind us signing Burgess either he reminds me of Glenn Lazarus.

Lee Smith(I know he's gone by the way), Peter Fox, Briscoe, Burgess, LMS, Owen, Shenton, Wheeler, Cooper, Riley, Myler, Wheeldon, Westerman, Pelo are all players who have a bright future in the game and we should try and sign them now because in 5 years time they will be sniffing around the international scene no doubt about it.

: Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:51 pm  

post wrote:

I just say what I'm told. We were negotiating with Darrell Griffin a few weeks ago but they wanted O'Carroll for good and Mossop on loan for rest of year but we wouldn't let it and it fell through.
The thing with Darrell Griffin is he is average and if he came to Wigan he wouldn't be anything special but if he went to Saints or Leeds he would be a superstar thats what annoys me.

If IL is serious about rebuilding this great club he needs to get the right players, you can sign all your Baileys, Coleys, Riddells, Roberts etc but they are just steady eddies and nothing special we need great players in the making. Those players won't take us forward.

We need Darren Lockyer.

LMS is one of those good players in the making and he doesnt seem to have a massive ego where someone like Burgess would have although I wouldn't mind us signing Burgess either he reminds me of Glenn Lazarus.

Lee Smith(I know he's gone by the way), Peter Fox, Briscoe, Burgess, LMS, Owen, Shenton, Wheeler, Cooper, Riley, Myler, Wheeldon, Westerman, Pelo are all players who have a bright future in the game and we should try and sign them now because in 5 years time they will be sniffing around the international scene no doubt about it.

We have some of the best young players in the country year in year out. We know this cos we are consistantly good at acadamy and reserve level year in, year out.

We do not need to sign big names we need to start giving more of these guys a chance. Once we get a good base of these players in the first team with a year or two's experience then we can bring one or two big name stars to fill the gaps.

: Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:05 pm  

- Neil - wrote:

We have some of the best young players in the country year in year out. We know this cos we are consistantly good at acadamy and reserve level year in, year out.

We do not need to sign big names we need to start giving more of these guys a chance. Once we get a good base of these players in the first team with a year or two's experience then we can bring one or two big name stars to fill the gaps.

Yeah I know I was identifying other good young players at other clubs we should sign now before they price us out further down the line.

So why don't our youngsters kick on then?

I'm starting to think maybe time has to be called on Brian Nobles reign if steps aren't taken to sort this out. Phelps himself asked for help from Rads to master the fullback position. What does that tell you? He isn't getting the coaching he needs.

When you think about it people say we need a new 7 and Tommy Leuluai isn't a 7.
Why don't we get Joey Johns over to tutor both him and Sam about playing in the halves?
Then we probably wouldn't need a new 7 as we would have an improved Leuluai but surely Noble would have recognised this? Being the coach and all eh?
We would save cash to put towards a top notch prop or two. Burgess and LMS

: Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:58 am  

For me you have hit on the exact rerason why signing younger players from other clubs will not work at Wigan - they will not get the correct coaching, we have to sign experienced players.

The current coaching and backroom staff are not good enough to develop players - there are several players currently at the club with coaching needs or players who are not improving from one season to the next. Until that is sorted out then the only way the squad will improve is to sign experienced players (such as Lockyer etc).

[Pemps]

: Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:32 am  

According to League Express and Martin Offiah, Richie Myler has turned down Salford's offer for and extended contract.

: Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:57 am  

Pemps wrote:

According to League Express and Martin Offiah, Richie Myler has turned down Salford's offer for and extended contract.

Then the lad's got sense.

Much as it is desirable for young starlets to stay at their club of origin, Salford are even further from silverware than Wigan.

Myler's future surely lies elsewhere.

: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:30 am  

Pemps wrote:

According to League Express and Martin Offiah, Richie Myler has turned down Salford's offer for and extended contract.

Dire it is then.

: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:35 am  

Boris wrote:

Dire it is then.

Methinks your right.

Would Myler have been good for us for 2010 anyway. Him and Sam would be very inexperienced and would have bad games, with our fans as well they would start to boo and get on their backs after a couple of bad games and before you know it all the potential they had is sadly down the toilet.

Lockyer?
Orford?
Anasta?
Cronk?
Finch?

Doesn't look to promising at the moment

: Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:27 am  

kirkamania6 wrote:

Methinks your right.

Would Myler have been good for us for 2010 anyway. Him and Sam would be very inexperienced and would have bad games, with our fans as well they would start to boo and get on their backs after a couple of bad games and before you know it all the potential they had is sadly down the toilet.

Lockyer?
Orford?
Anasta?
Cronk?
Finch?

Doesn't look to promising at the moment

There is no way you could have two tenagers at halfback together. They would be easy pickings for the old heads in the opposition. Would Leuluai be the right type of player to aid a young halfback long term?

When all said and done, Myler has turned down their current offer, who knows if an improved offer may be forthcoming? It is the first stage of negotiations afterall.