Re: Wigan Vs Huddersfield : Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:19 pm  

ralvag wrote:

On the prop rotation generally, Singleton as a sub doesn’t work - he should either start or not be in the squad.

Was fortunate to speak with ZH after the game on Friday, and specifically asked about the lift in intensity when we have our first lot of rotation and if there is a reason there isn’t that intensity from the off. His response was don’t underestimate the work that the starting forwards do to get us in a position where the rotation guys can come on and have a big impact, regardless of what you see from the stands.

I’m not a fan of Singleton at all, but it certainly made me see his input from a different perspective.

Why not?

Re: Wigan Vs Huddersfield : Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:44 pm  

nathan_rugby wrote:

Why not?

For me he doesn't have the dynamic impact that would would like from someone coming on from the bench.

I am not saying it is inconceivable but I agree he is a better option as starting prop. Ideally Havard joins Mago on the bench and we should see a rea change in the game if we can get that rotation functioning and fit.

Re: Wigan Vs Huddersfield : Wed Feb 23, 2022 1:59 pm  

jonh wrote:

For me he doesn't have the dynamic impact that would would like from someone coming on from the bench.

I am not saying it is inconceivable but I agree he is a better option as starting prop. Ideally Havard joins Mago on the bench and we should see a rea change in the game if we can get that rotation functioning and fit.

I think there's an element of if you want a quick start and early domination or a settled and controlled start with impact off the bench. We have opted for the latter and, so far at least, it seems to be working for us. It's interesting to note that Saints start with their most destructive prop and look to get dominance early. I think we could adopt the same style once a fit and firing Havard returns. I'm not sure we have enough big yardage or destructive props to do that at the moment.

Re: Wigan Vs Huddersfield : Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:06 pm  

Egg Chasing wrote:

Isn't it nice when the team almost picks itself? Fingers crossed we actually keep players fit this season

Apologies for the stupid question but is Harry Smith unfit or down the pecking order?

Re: Wigan Vs Huddersfield : Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:17 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

Apologies for the stupid question but is Harry Smith unfit or down the pecking order?

Down the pecking order at the moment but I think it's safe to say Leuluai won't be playing every game this season so I'd imagine he'll be back in sooner rather than later

Re: Wigan Vs Huddersfield : Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:21 pm  

He is where he should have been last season in that he will play a handful of games that we should win and where he can just play his game.

Unfortunately he ended up playing all last season behind a pack that got stuffed.

The big one for him will be what we choose to do with a fit French and Field as one may move to the halves which would move him down the order again.

Re: Wigan Vs Huddersfield : Wed Feb 23, 2022 4:15 pm  

jonh wrote:

For me he doesn't have the dynamic impact that would would like from someone coming on from the bench.

I am not saying it is inconceivable but I agree he is a better option as starting prop. Ideally Havard joins Mago on the bench and we should see a rea change in the game if we can get that rotation functioning and fit.

I’d probably just consider splitting what looks to be two more impactful props on the bench and go Ellis and Byrne and Singleton and Mago in pairs. One reason for that would be that I always think you should earn a start and look to push people by offering that carrot. I think Byrne did that last week and Singleton not so much. I also think Singleton playing off the bench with Mago could help him. If you’ve got that impact Mago is bringing, you’ve got good go forward and good attacking options and then just to have a steady player like Singleton at the side of him (low errors, good defender, good talker etc) makes sense to me.

I absolutely agree on Havard by the way, bar maybe he’s a man to start with Ellis if you want a couple of long spells and then Byrne takes a bench spot again with Mago. The long and short is that Singleton will need to produce more than these first two weeks to hold a spot in the 17.

Re: Wigan Vs Huddersfield : Wed Feb 23, 2022 8:32 pm  

nathan_rugby wrote:

Why not?

Because he doesn’t work as an impact player.

Re: Wigan Vs Huddersfield : Wed Feb 23, 2022 11:45 pm  

What's the call if we go four forwards on the bench when Havards back?
Start with Ellis Havard, ..bench ..Mago Smithies, Byrne and Singleton.
Obviously when French is back and fully fit do we go Cust 7, Field at 6, and carry an extra 9 in Tommy off the bench? Also that does give the option of playing Powell Tommy Cust then run Field and French like two full backs. If you could do that with Mago Bateman and KPP off-load games it would be hard to defend.
Whatever they decide that leaves plenty lads pushing outside the 17 Miski Thornley Partington Shorrocks looks so much stronger now.

Re: Wigan Vs Huddersfield : Thu Feb 24, 2022 8:12 am  

When was the last time Tommy played 9? 2019?

I don’t think he has the engine to defend in the middle anymore.

We’ve gone with Shorrocks and Hastings at 9 in the last few years rather than Tommy going there.