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Re: If I Was To Name My Greatest Ever Side... : Sun May 03, 2020 10:29 pm  
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My dad raved about Alan Davies, said he was good at Wigan, but even better at Oldham. Dosnt have the same profile at Wigan as say Ashton/Boston etc but by all.accounts he was some player.

My dad was also a massive Dave Bolton fan
After he died i took the family to Oz (not with anything he left me BTW :wink: ) and I got the chance to meet him.
That's was some Cruise around the Harbour!
Also had an hour discussion with Steve Roach, a pint with Laurie Daley and sang a karaoke with Benny Elias!!!


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Dave Bolton was before my time but again a player who I would have loved to have seen
Alex Murphy I think has Dave Bolton in his 13 off all time
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Re: If I Was To Name My Greatest Ever Side... : Mon May 04, 2020 8:16 am  
1. Tomkins
2. Robinson
3. Inga
4. Myles
5. Offiah
6. Barrett
7. Lam
8. Platt
9. Newton
10. Farrell
11. Furner
12. Hanley
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Re: If I Was To Name My Greatest Ever Side... : Mon May 04, 2020 10:33 am  
jonh wrote:
1. Tomkins
2. Robinson
3. Inga
4. Myles
5. Offiah
6. Barrett
7. Lam
8. Platt
9. Newton
10. Farrell
11. Furner
12. Hanley
13. Locky


Hi Jonh
What Year are you working from as your criteria? I.e. When did you start watching?
Obviously the thing that stands out there is Lam over Gregory or Edwards (Whilst I was a big fan of Lam I wouldn't have included him over either of those)

Barrett over Edwards or Kenny? - I can kind of see that although personally I wouldn't

Furner was a Very good player and does get overlooked from time to time in these discussions, but Betts from 89 to 95 was just awesome. Goodway as well often gets overlooked and he was Very good for us from 85/86 through to 90
Farrell to 10 I can see and is a good way of getting Lockers in there, but we all know he's a back rower however Hanley to 2nd row is a non starter :SNOOTY: :NAUGHTY: :D

I think we just have to accept that picking players in their true positions means we leave International/World class players out
Big Rads fan - But he misses out to Sam
Big Ferguson fan - But he misses out to Robinson
Dean bell - Wow - What a competitor - But you can't have them all - Connolly/Miles/Inga/Renouf/Iro etc.
Picking 2 halves - You have to leave out 3 of Gregory/Edwards/Lam/Kenny/Barrett for example

I love Lockers - But Hanley plays 13
I Love Farrell - But Hanley Plays 13

Farrell you could shoehorn into 12 as he played a lot of rugby there, but half a dozen games at prop doesn't warrant consideration for me.

1/ Sam Tomkins
2/ Jason Robinson
3/ Dean bell
4/ Gene Miles
5/ Martin Offiah
6/ Kenny
7/ Gregory
8/ Craig Smith
9/ Newton
10/ Platt
11/ Betts
12/ Farrell
13/ Hanley

If were having subs then :-

Edwards
Skerrett
Lockers
Barrett
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Re: If I Was To Name My Greatest Ever Side... : Mon May 04, 2020 11:25 am  
In my lifetime:-
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2)-John Ferguson
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4)-Gene Miles
5)-Martin Offiah
6)-Brett Kenny
7)-Shaun Edwards
8)-Kelvin Skerrett
9)-Thomas Leuluai
10)-Andy Platt
11)-Denis Betts
12)-Andy Farrell
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Re: If I Was To Name My Greatest Ever Side... : Mon May 04, 2020 11:48 am  
Jukesays wrote:
My dad raved about Alan Davies, said he was good at Wigan, but even better at Oldham. Dosnt have the same profile at Wigan as say Ashton/Boston etc but by all.accounts he was some player.

My dad was also a massive Dave Bolton fan
After he died i took the family to Oz (not with anything he left me BTW :wink: ) and I got the chance to meet him.
That's was some Cruise around the Harbour!
Also had an hour discussion with Steve Roach, a pint with Laurie Daley and sang a karaoke with Benny Elias!!!


I thought hard about David Bolton, but went for Brett Kenny, funnily enough after having a conversation whilst on the Aussie World Cup tour of 2008. I was sat with someone you may have heard of a man called Billy Boston and asked what he thought about Bolton and Kenny. His answer, "I loved playing with David, but Kenny is the BEST I have ever seen"

I should however have included Bill Ashurst probably in front of Betts or Craig Smith.
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Re: If I Was To Name My Greatest Ever Side... : Mon May 04, 2020 1:28 pm  
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Hi Jonh
What Year are you working from as your criteria? I.e. When did you start watching?
Obviously the thing that stands out there is Lam over Gregory or Edwards (Whilst I was a big fan of Lam I wouldn't have included him over either of those)

Barrett over Edwards or Kenny? - I can kind of see that although personally I wouldn't

Furner was a Very good player and does get overlooked from time to time in these discussions, but Betts from 89 to 95 was just awesome. Goodway as well often gets overlooked and he was Very good for us from 85/86 through to 90
Farrell to 10 I can see and is a good way of getting Lockers in there, but we all know he's a back rower however Hanley to 2nd row is a non starter :SNOOTY: :NAUGHTY: :D

I think we just have to accept that picking players in their true positions means we leave International/World class players out
Big Rads fan - But he misses out to Sam
Big Ferguson fan - But he misses out to Robinson
Dean bell - Wow - What a competitor - But you can't have them all - Connolly/Miles/Inga/Renouf/Iro etc.
Picking 2 halves - You have to leave out 3 of Gregory/Edwards/Lam/Kenny/Barrett for example

I love Lockers - But Hanley plays 13
I Love Farrell - But Hanley Plays 13

Farrell you could shoehorn into 12 as he played a lot of rugby there, but half a dozen games at prop doesn't warrant consideration for me.

1/ Sam Tomkins
2/ Jason Robinson
3/ Dean bell
4/ Gene Miles
5/ Martin Offiah
6/ Kenny
7/ Gregory
8/ Craig Smith
9/ Newton
10/ Platt
11/ Betts
12/ Farrell
13/ Hanley

If were having subs then :-

Edwards
Skerrett
Lockers
Barrett


First game I remember watching was the 85 final where I was 7.

Realistically though probably going from 87/88 season though as a barometer.

Edwards and Gregory where my favourite players as a kid. I can’t really count Kenny as I only really remember him playing that one game for us.

For me as good as Greg was he was also very limited in the fact he generally turned his back when passing off his weak hand. Lam for me probably had a better all round game.

Edwards nearly got the nod for the longevity alone and the quality throughout his time at Wigan but again I went with Barrett because he was a more natural talent. Edwards was obviously very gifted but I feel he had to work hard for everything he got. Barrett was just a natural talent and a physical specimen.

I have never seen a better display from a 6 than in the Bradford comeback game. It was a masterclass.

Second row was one area I struggled. I nearly went with Haughton just for that brief spell where he was nearly unplayable ball in hand.

I was never a fan personally of Betts, he was obviously a wonderful player but I just never warmed to him. No idea why.

Furner I thought was brilliant for us, although just having a rethink I’d probably go for Hoffman on reflection.

Put my hand up to shifting players to accommodate them but Hanley was the master and I think he could play anywhere. Faz had maybe his best season for Wigan at Prop (didn’t he pick up the Golden Boot),
Locky just so very gifted particularly ball in hand as a 13.

Cheating a little I know but just had to include all 3.
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Re: If I Was To Name My Greatest Ever Side... : Mon May 04, 2020 4:59 pm  
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First game I remember watching was the 85 final where I was 7.

Realistically though probably going from 87/88 season though as a barometer.

Edwards and Gregory where my favourite players as a kid. I can’t really count Kenny as I only really remember him playing that one game for us.

For me as good as Greg was he was also very limited in the fact he generally turned his back when passing off his weak hand. Lam for me probably had a better all round game.

Edwards nearly got the nod for the longevity alone and the quality throughout his time at Wigan but again I went with Barrett because he was a more natural talent. Edwards was obviously very gifted but I feel he had to work hard for everything he got. Barrett was just a natural talent and a physical specimen.

I have never seen a better display from a 6 than in the Bradford comeback game. It was a masterclass.

Second row was one area I struggled. I nearly went with Haughton just for that brief spell where he was nearly unplayable ball in hand.

I was never a fan personally of Betts, he was obviously a wonderful player but I just never warmed to him. No idea why.

Furner I thought was brilliant for us, although just having a rethink I’d probably go for Hoffman on reflection.

Put my hand up to shifting players to accommodate them but Hanley was the master and I think he could play anywhere. Faz had maybe his best season for Wigan at Prop (didn’t he pick up the Golden Boot),
Locky just so very gifted particularly ball in hand as a 13.

Cheating a little I know but just had to include all 3.


"That" Season (2004) Faz played 10 games at prop-He played 20 in the back row
That's why no matter which way I look at it, I have to leave Lockers out - Faz and Hanley are shoe ins for 2 of the back 3 spots
And as good as Lockers has been, those 2 would both get in at 13 before him - Faz played a lot of his career in 2nd row so ok to play him there.

Don't ask me why, but from someone like yourself I find it strange that you never warmed to Betts as you put it.
He was a Model professional, Played 80mins most weeks and played EVERY week (Didn't he play something like 80+ consecutive games around 90/91/92?). He played his best rugby in the Big games and was as tough as they come.
One of my best memories is the try he scored at Headingley in Mission impossible season, He barged over taking 3/4 men with him and when he stood up after scoring and raised his arms to the 3/4k Wigan fans it was just Spine tingling.
Hoffman/Furner in terms of class would push them, Goodway was close and Faz for sheer longevity and consistency of performance, But I just think Betts had the lot. (Let's not mention Haughton, I'll put that down to Lockdown Fever or someone has pinched your password! :wink: )

Edwards/Gregory argument is a difficult one
If I wanted someone to play for my life it would be Edwards - And I do think there is a place in any team for players with dedication/work ethic over ability
If I could watch one player again at his best one more time it would be Greg. Despite the obvious flaw of turning his back (Which I don't think ever got exposed) He was sublime at times.
Lam was very good, and defensively one of the best 7's I've seen. he was Very good in all areas of the game, but I just think he didn't get us over the line enough like the others did.

Barrett was fantastic season 1 - dipped a bit season 2
But Kenny was just awesome
The one that gets missed a lot is Ella - He was every bit as good as Kenny over the regular season, but was injured when we lost the CC QF to Cas at home so missed out on the exposure of the CC Final - I do think if he'd have made a CC final people would remember him more fondly.
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Re: If I Was To Name My Greatest Ever Side... : Mon May 04, 2020 5:38 pm  
Ella was good but not as good as Kenny, one of the best ever for me not just for Wigan
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Re: If I Was To Name My Greatest Ever Side... : Mon May 04, 2020 6:11 pm  
Betts was absolute quality in both spells he had here
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Re: If I Was To Name My Greatest Ever Side... : Mon May 04, 2020 6:33 pm  
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Ella was good but not as good as Kenny, one of the best ever for me not just for Wigan


Kenny's "Best" was better than Ella's and his big game record was second to none, but Ella was really good and his constency through run of the mill league games when he could have coasted made him a really good acquisition For us.
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