Re: Warrington : Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:54 am  

CobraCraig wrote:

To be fair that team gave Saints a decent game, play like that and they have a decent chance if we play like we did on Friday.

I doubt Wigan will be resting the equivalent of Coote/ Roby/ Percival/ Walmsley/ Knowles/ Fages or leaving key forwards on the bench for unusually long periods though.

Wigan comfortable win unless Wire go all out with strongest available side.

I think resting too many players two weeks on the bounce at the expense of momentum won't be very clever from a Wire pov but time will tell!

Re: Warrington : Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:17 am  

FearTheVee wrote:

I doubt Wigan will be resting the equivalent of Coote/ Roby/ Percival/ Walmsley/ Knowles/ Fages or leaving key forwards on the bench for unusually long periods though.

Wigan comfortable win unless Wire go all out with strongest available side.

I think resting too many players two weeks on the bounce at the expense of momentum won't be very clever from a Wire pov but time will tell!

It depends who Wire elect to rest and who they play. I honestly think Wire are massively ahead of Wigan this season, massively. With Saints being a good bit better than Wire.

I hope I'm wrong, but from the way Wigan play, I think a half strength Wire will beat a pretty much full strength Wigan. It's not about the personnel, it's about the way we're playing.

I'd go as far to say if we played Leeds this week, I'd fear we'd be in for a good smacking.

Re: Warrington : Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:33 am  

Last Son of Wigan wrote:

It depends who Wire elect to rest and who they play. I honestly think Wire are massively ahead of Wigan this season, massively. With Saints being a good bit better than Wire.

I hope I'm wrong, but from the way Wigan play, I think a half strength Wire will beat a pretty much full strength Wigan. It's not about the personnel, it's about the way we're playing.

I'd go as far to say if we played Leeds this week, I'd fear we'd be in for a good smacking.

The way we’re playing has led to 13 wins from 15 games. Some of the wins have been scrappy and some have been gritty. Some have been largely down to poor opposition but the fact stands. We’ve seen glimpses of great attacking rugby and seen some outstanding defence. We’re no longer an easy team to beat and I think you’ll be proved wrong this week. Even if we don’t win, it’ll be a hard, close game and we’ll not be far off.

Re: Warrington : Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:05 am  

Bigredwarrior wrote:

The way we’re playing has led to 13 wins from 15 games. Some of the wins have been scrappy and some have been gritty. Some have been largely down to poor opposition but the fact stands. We’ve seen glimpses of great attacking rugby and seen some outstanding defence. We’re no longer an easy team to beat and I think you’ll be proved wrong this week. Even if we don’t win, it’ll be a hard, close game and we’ll not be far off.

We have been winning yes, but my post is referring to the void between Saints, us and Wire. Do I think we're capable of beating most teams? Yes, just miles behind the top two, with Saints far in front.
I agree with some of your post, we've seen 'glimpses' of great attacking rugby, which for me is no where near good enough, it supports my point, we need to see consistent great attacking rugby. Additionally you say we've seen 'some' outstanding defence, we have, but again 'some is not good enough to be a GF winning team. We need to consistently good, in a single game for the 80 and then outstanding to beat the top two.

If Wire field half a team we should be putting 40-50 points on them, if it's a close game with a half strength Wire what will a full strength Wire do to us?

Our overall play this season has significantly dropped, it's so visible week-in-week-out. I personally think we have the personal this season to be better than we are.

I pray I'm proven wrong, I pray this is the game we click and run riot, but lets be honest, it would be one giant leap from what we've seen this season.

Re: Warrington : Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:11 am  

Last Son of Wigan wrote:

We have been winning yes, but my post is referring to the void between Saints, us and Wire. Do I think we're capable of beating most teams? Yes, just miles behind the top two, with Saints far in front.
I agree with some of your post, we've seen 'glimpses' of great attacking rugby, which for me is no where near good enough, it supports my point, we need to see consistent great attacking rugby. Additionally you say we've seen 'some' outstanding defence, we have, but again 'some is not good enough to be a GF winning team. We need to consistently good, in a single game for the 80 and then outstanding to beat the top two.

If Wire field half a team we should be putting 40-50 points on them, if it's a close game with a half strength Wire what will a full strength Wire do to us?

Our overall play this season has significantly dropped, it's so visible week-in-week-out. I personally think we have the personal this season to be better than we are.

I pray I'm proven wrong, I pray this is the game we click and run riot, but lets be honest, it would be one giant leap from what we've seen this season.

Don't let the happy clappers rewrite history. We've beaten one team above us all season and been spanked by most of the people we'll need to beat at the business end.

I started to get carried away with our results, but Hull KR brought me back down with a bump. We're a level below a full strength Wire.

Re: Warrington : Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:20 am  

There’s a huge gap between Saints and the rest but hardly any gap if any between Wire and the likes of Hull, Wigan and co. In the only real meaningful game we’ve played this year we should’ve beaten them and were the better sides for long periods. To say luck wasn’t on our side in that cup tie would be an understatement and that was a Wigan side going in to the game in horrendous form and looking pretty clueless.

I’ve not bought in to this theory thrown around in parts that it’s Saints, Wire and then the rest. It’s Saints and then the rest of us scrapping around to see who’ll play them (and more than likely lose) in finals.

Re: Warrington : Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:53 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

There’s a huge gap between Saints and the rest but hardly any gap if any between Wire and the likes of Hull, Wigan and co. In the only real meaningful game we’ve played this year we should’ve beaten them and were the better sides for long periods. To say luck wasn’t on our side in that cup tie would be an understatement and that was a Wigan side going in to the game in horrendous form and looking pretty clueless.

I’ve not bought in to this theory thrown around in parts that it’s Saints, Wire and then the rest. It’s Saints and then the rest of us scrapping around to see who’ll play them (and more than likely lose) in finals.

I agree completely NK. Saints have clearly set the standard and there isn’t much between the chasing pack. Of course, I’m a happy clapper so my views are always wrong and count for less than everybody else’s.
You know, like when we were 9th and I said we wouldn’t lose a game in June and that we’d go on a winning run into a good play off place? Oh hang on...... (this is where I’d put a smiley or a winking emoji if I knew how)!

Re: Warrington : Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:13 pm  

Bigredwarrior wrote:

I agree completely NK. Saints have clearly set the standard and there isn’t much between the chasing pack. Of course, I’m a happy clapper so my views are always wrong and count for less than everybody else’s.
You know, like when we were 9th and I said we wouldn’t lose a game in June and that we’d go on a winning run into a good play off place? Oh hang on...... (this is where I’d put a smiley or a winking emoji if I knew how)!

Re: Warrington : Tue Aug 13, 2019 12:43 pm  

Flower out for 4-6 weeks with a knee issue!

Burgess with a pec might not play

Hardaker
Marshall
Sarginson
Gildart
French
Williams
Leaulai
Partington
Powell
Clubb
Farrell
Isa
Smithies

Hankinson
Bryne
Greenwood
Naverette

Re: Warrington : Tue Aug 13, 2019 1:49 pm  

Suzy Banyon wrote:

Don't let the happy clappers rewrite history. We've beaten one team above us all season and been spanked by most of the people we'll need to beat at the business end.

I started to get carried away with our results, but Hull KR brought me back down with a bump. We're a level below a full strength Wire.

I was exactly the same.
I'm not a happy clapper or captain doom and gloom. I just call it as I see it. Like I say, I do think we're good enough to beat most teams, but a way off Wire and Saints. More importantly if I'm honest, I couldn't possibly say we're anything close to what we were last season.

I expected us to start clicking after the CC weekend, but we didn't.

I guess after years under Wane that's what happened, we got stronger when it mattered, performances started to click, by the business end of the season we were the strongest team.

But we're not a Shaun Wane team anymore.
I'm still not impressed with Wigan under Lam. We're way behind. And people say we play more attacking better rugby under Lam? Baffling, we're streets behind in terms of style attractiveness and effectiveness.