Re: Whose idea was it? : Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:01 pm  

The only way to do this would be to have a very accurage GPS type of coverage for a ground with all players and the ball tracked and then a system to monitor the momentum of the players and the ball to calculate the relative travel of the ball to the player.

Clearly this couldn't be GPS as it's not accurate enough and would in effect end up being a system setup within the stadium. Cost anyone?

Re: Whose idea was it? : Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:53 pm  

Maybe a (slightly!) more cost effective option would be to have a mobile overhead camera and use the wonderful geometrical power of modern technology to simply determine the angle of trajectory at the point the ball is thrown.

If the horizontal line is considered to be zero degrees and the pass is zero degrees or less then the pass must level or backwards.

This will also take into account the momentum rule and any angled runs made by the passing player...

Simples really!!

Re: Whose idea was it? : Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:10 pm  

Officials could always do their job? I called it from my position at least 100 yards away behind the gosl.

I understand that there are tight margins in our game but that was obvious. It was as obvious as the Maradona handball and the Spurs goal at Old Trafford when Roy Carroll played basketball. How they get missed is beyond me.

Re: Whose idea was it? : Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:40 pm  

Conroy wrote:

Officials could always do their job? I called it from my position at least 100 yards away behind the gosl.

I understand that there are tight margins in our game but that was obvious. It was as obvious as the Maradona handball and the Spurs goal at Old Trafford when Roy Carroll played basketball. How they get missed is beyond me.

Or the Jeff Lima try that probably won you the RL Cup last season?
I haven't seen yesterdays game yet, I was at the Olympics in London yesterday, but by the sound of things it was one of the all time great forward passes. There simply isn't a way to get this right, but I do think that refs should get more help from the men running the line.

Re: Whose idea was it? : Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:00 am  

Teessidewire wrote:

Or the Jeff Lima try that probably won you the RL Cup last season?
I haven't seen yesterdays game yet, I was at the Olympics in London yesterday, but by the sound of things it was one of the all time great forward passes. There simply isn't a way to get this right, but I do think that refs should get more help from the men running the line.

It was forward no doubt.

However, it didn't really effect the game, Wire were by far the better side. I'm sure in time to come the technology will become available to make the correct decisions. Until it does we will have to put up with "the rub of the green scenarios"

Re: Whose idea was it? : Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:16 am  

the ditch wrote:

Must be shocking to loose a game cos of a forward pass!!!

Who said that ?

No one on this thread.

Read the all thread if you are able ?

Re: Whose idea was it? : Mon Aug 13, 2012 1:27 am  

Father Ted wrote:

The pitch now has whitewashed lines across the field every ten meters and so often a pass is thrown one side of the line and caught on the other side.
No good reason for not looking at forward passes.

100% Warrior wrote:

Look at where the Hodgson was when he passes the ball and then where Joel Monaghan was when he caught it. How anyone can say that wasn't forward is beyond me.

Dougy wrote:

Hodgson was about 13 or 14 metres from the try line when he passed the ball. Monaghan was about 6 or 7 metres from the line when he caught it. How is that not a forward pass?

fleabag wrote:

I would say about 10 yards forward. The lines are there to help in stuff like this.

A pass is forward if the player throws it forwards, not if the ball goes forwards. The ball will often travel forwards because the player who threw it was running forwards. You can not judge whether a pass was forward in terms of meters or where the passer was when he threw the ball.

Re: Whose idea was it? : Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:56 am  

the ditch wrote:

Must be shocking to loose a game cos of a forward pass!!!

Only if it was a tight one!

[Paul Thexton]

Re: Whose idea was it? : Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:11 pm  

Grimmy wrote: You can not judge whether a pass was forward in terms of meters or where the passer was when he threw the ball. Aye. I don't see that there's any excuse for people not understanding this, we were taught about momentum prior to GCSE level Physics in school and I doubt my school was out of the ordinary in this. I don't understand what the big deal is. Drive in a car at 2mph and throw a tennis ball up in the air and catch it again, the ball travels forward in relation to the ground at the same speed as you are moving. If at 10mph you throw it (gently) to someone in the back seat, the ball has gone backwards relative to you, but forward in relation to the ground. Simples. And, as you say, it means you simply cannot use the markings on the ground as an indicative guide, the only way you can really gauge the momentum of the ball relative to the player is to see where the player and ball are at in relation to each other at all times. (This, of course, is still open to 'cheating', as the bloke who threw the pass could deliberately speed up, hence why the referees look at the hands of the player passing the ball, as it's the only practical way they have of determining it from 'ground level') I like the sound of this, though: http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nr ... 6108565226 Seems like they plan to do live vector calculations to determine if the ball is propelled forward or backward.

Grimmy wrote: You can not judge whether a pass was forward in terms of meters or where the passer was when he threw the ball. Aye. I don't see that there's any excuse for people not understanding this, we were taught about momentum prior to GCSE level Physics in school and I doubt my school was out of the ordinary in this. I don't understand what the big deal is. Drive in a car at 2mph and throw a tennis ball up in the air and catch it again, the ball travels forward in relation to the ground at the same speed as you are moving. If at 10mph you throw it (gently) to someone in the back seat, the ball has gone backwards relative to you, but forward in relation to the ground. Simples. And, as you say, it means you simply cannot use the markings on the ground as an indicative guide, the only way you can really gauge the momentum of the ball relative to the player is to see where the player and ball are at in relation to each other at all times. (This, of course, is still open to 'cheating', as the bloke who threw the pass could deliberately speed up, hence why the referees look at the hands of the player passing the ball, as it's the only practical way they have of determining it from 'ground level') I like the sound of this, though: http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nr ... 6108565226 Seems like they plan to do live vector calculations to determine if the ball is propelled forward or backward.

Re: Whose idea was it? : Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:32 pm  

Grimmy wrote:

Bingo. It always baffles me how few people understand the rules of our game.

I dont understand the rules of bingo either.