Re: England unchanged for 2nd Test v Aus : Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:55 pm  

McNamara made a right song and dance about getting Widdop yet wont even play him in one of his best positions.

Re: England unchanged for 2nd Test v Aus : Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:06 pm  

Smurf wrote:

Moaning that it is half full then not attending (or showing any interest besides posting an opinion about it on the internet..... oddly) is so contradictory it is unbelievable.

At what point did I "moan"? I merely pointed out a fact.

Re: England unchanged for 2nd Test v Aus : Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:18 pm  

21-12 wrote:

Which is exactly why a good spanking off Australia and New Zealand would benefit us in the long run, it would make the RFL wake up and smell the coffee, whether people like it or not we need an Australian coach.

I Guess you don't rate Wane much then ?

But I agree that McBannana is the worst England coach we have had for many a year !

Re: England unchanged for 2nd Test v Aus : Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:29 pm  

TrentBarrett wrote:

Yes I do, but I also realise having watched a lot of NRL this year that Widdop is an out standing five eight and should be starting at 6 instead of an out of position Sinfield who creates very little attacking opportunities in that position.

Widdop is more of a running stand off (bloody 5/8th ) Cronk and Smith run the show and set up the plays, Widdop doesn't really do any of the kicking or organising. Of the 2 halfs so far if either deserves dropping its Chase based on the 2 games so far but, I fail to see how changing the HB partnership at this change would be beneficial. Continuity is important.

I would agree regarding the debate over having a full time coach. No coach worth his salt is going to give his club job for (what is essentially) an admin job with a few games at the end of the year.

Re: England unchanged for 2nd Test v Aus : Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:53 pm  

Argh! The man's an idiot! Widdop to 6, 4 props => We'd get beat but maybe have a chance of making it respectable. I think it could be 30 or 40+ on Saturday now. The truly infuriating thing about it is even that wouldnt make the RFL admit their mistake and get shot of McNamara!

Re: England unchanged for 2nd Test v Aus : Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:29 pm  

Charlie Sheen wrote:

Widdop is more of a running stand off (bloody 5/8th ) Cronk and Smith run the show and set up the plays, Widdop doesn't really do any of the kicking or organising. Of the 2 halfs so far if either deserves dropping its Chase based on the 2 games so far but, I fail to see how changing the HB partnership at this change would be beneficial. Continuity is important.

I would agree regarding the debate over having a full time coach. No coach worth his salt is going to give his club job for (what is essentially) an admin job with a few games at the end of the year.

Five-eighth is an alternative name for stand off or number 6 , Widdop showed his class when he came onto the pitch in both the games against Wales and France he is heads and shoulders above Sinfield in terms of being a five eight and therefore should be played there. Just noticed your a Leeds fan boy, I'm not knocking Sinfield he is a decent loose forward but an average stand off.

Re: England unchanged for 2nd Test v Aus : Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:56 pm  

It will be similar to the DW game in 2009. They'll give us a pasting first half and then relax allowing us to score some points and make it look respectable.

I hope it'll be that anyway because if they open up on a pitch like that then it could be Melbourne 2008 or Sydney 2001 all over again.

Re: England unchanged for 2nd Test v Aus : Thu Nov 03, 2011 7:48 pm  

TrentBarrett wrote:

Terrible decision making by McNamara, Widdop came on last Saturday and showed he offers so much in attack compared to an out of position Sinfield. I'd like to see us at least challenge the Aussies but with the inept coaching we don't stand a chance.

To be honest I think stand off is probbly Sinfield's best position. He's a little under-sized in the back row and doesn't carry it up enough, especially at international level. He's not close to being the best 6 in the England squad though (probably fourth behind Chase, Widdop and Tomkins) so why he keeps getting the starting berth I'll never know. He hardly set the world alight against France or Wales. McBanana is weakening the bench by only picking three forwards, especially with two being back rowers. If he is to persist that way then have either one of Wilkin or JJB on there and rotate Sinfield into the back row if we're spelling forwards. We have to have four props!

Re: England unchanged for 2nd Test v Aus : Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:24 pm  

21-12 wrote:

At what point did I "moan"? I merely pointed out a fact.

Australia are going to win by 30 plus and that the stadium will be half full are facts? I'm glad you're not my lawyer.

Re: England unchanged for 2nd Test v Aus : Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:40 pm  

On a positive after all the poor selection choices note I'm fully behind what ever team plays and pleased England are back in a stadium fitting for our sport.