Re: Saints (m) : Sun Jul 10, 2022 10:33 am  

And let's put the stats in perspective shall we? Most metres by any prop, either side: Ethan Havard. Only one Saints prop made over 100 metres. All your metres came from the backs and back row (just like ours) and the "world class" Morgan Knowles made a grand total of 13 metres more than Smithies despite being on the field for twice as long!

Re: Saints (m) : Sun Jul 10, 2022 10:39 am  

FearTheVee wrote:

What are you on about? You said pre-season I said you were replacing average players with average players. I didn’t say that, I said the props you signed would make a big difference and the biggest plus was a change of coach.

I also said you were bringing through undersized ineffective forwards which is a completely different point but I’m happy to stand by both of those different points.

You didn't. I've posted what you actually said. There's no point me posting your own words if you're going to deny you said them!

As for bringing undersized props through; Byrne is as big as anything you have and Havard is consistently the biggest metre maker on the field as he was again yesterday. As posted above, our "undersized" Smithies made 13 metres less than your "world class" Knowles despite being on for half the time. The only "undersized" prop we have is Partington and he rarely plays.

You're normally a good poster but you're losing the plot on this mate. If you're "standing by what you say" why keep denying it?

Re: Saints (m) : Sun Jul 10, 2022 10:42 am  

FearTheVee wrote:

What are you on about? You said pre-season I said you were replacing average players with average players. I didn’t say that, I said the props you signed would make a big difference and the biggest plus was a change of coach.

I also said you were bringing through undersized ineffective forwards which is a completely different point but I’m happy to stand by both of those different points.

I also said some injuries effect us more in relative terms than Wigan because of the quality of the first XVII, with Wigan having more options but less top quality so replacing players is easier generally. For example Dodd, Makinson, Percival, Walmsley yesterday and the equivalents missing for Wigan in Tommy, Thornley, KPP and Ellis. One set missing results in a bigger drop in quality than the other - I’d suggest that’s just obvious.

I think you are conflating all of those points to bend to your purpose when they are all distinct separate points, all of which I still think are 100% correct by the way.

Once again you're repeating exactly what I said you said in the original post. Why the feck are you denying it one minute and then posting the same thing a minute later and saying you stand by it? You've lost it mate. I suggest you take a break.

Re: Saints (m) : Sun Jul 10, 2022 10:46 am  

FearTheVee wrote:

What are you on about? You said pre-season I said you were replacing average players with average players. I didn’t say that, I said the props you signed would make a big difference and the biggest plus was a change of coach.

I also said you were bringing through undersized ineffective forwards which is a completely different point but I’m happy to stand by both of those different points.

I also said some injuries effect us more in relative terms than Wigan because of the quality of the first XVII, with Wigan having more options but less top quality so replacing players is easier generally. For example Dodd, Makinson, Percival, Walmsley yesterday and the equivalents missing for Wigan in Tommy, Thornley, KPP and Ellis. One set missing results in a bigger drop in quality than the other - I’d suggest that’s just obvious.

I think you are conflating all of those points to bend to your purpose when they are all distinct separate points, all of which I still think are 100% correct by the way.

That's interesting, only Dodd's and KPP missed the semi-final and clearly Wigan were the better team?

Re: Saints (m) : Sun Jul 10, 2022 10:48 am  

Sweaty Betty's wrote:

That's interesting, only Dodd's and KPP missed the semi-final and clearly Wigan were the better team?

We weren't. We played well for 5 minutes and fluked a try off a Saints mistake.

Re: Saints (m) : Sun Jul 10, 2022 10:48 am  

Egg Chasing wrote:

Despite Saints pack making more yards, Wigan had the game won even with 12 men and threw it away with a dumb last set.

Correct. Tommy plays and that does not happen. Having said that Saints were the better team.

Re: Saints (m) : Sun Jul 10, 2022 10:51 am  

Stu M wrote:

You’re presuming that we won’t get better though. How do you know we won’t sign someone to replace Grace? Dodd will be back, Welsby a year older etc. No planned departures other than Grace. Lomax will be fully recovered too.

Before Dodd got injured we were unbelievable, both in attack and defence.

That's true but are your players aged 30+ going to get better or decline?

Re: Saints (m) : Sun Jul 10, 2022 11:00 am  

Phuzzy wrote:

Once again you're repeating exactly what I said you said in the original post. Why the feck are you denying it one minute and then posting the same thing a minute later and saying you stand by it? You've lost it mate. I suggest you take a break.

No - you said:

Look at FTVs comments pre season on squad depth and compare it to what has actually materialised this season. He's a great poster and adds to this board but I remember comments along the lines of we're just replacing average players with other average players,

My comments pre-season on squad Seth were explicitly not that you were replacing average with average. It was you needed a couple of props and will be better for replacing your poorer existing props with them. It’s literally the opposite of what I said but you’re just using one quote from me on a different subject out of context as if it’s the only thing I’ve ever said.

But whatever.

Re: Saints (m) : Sun Jul 10, 2022 11:02 am  

Sweaty Betty's wrote:

Correct. Tommy plays and that does not happen. Having said that Saints were the better team.

Wasn't just the kick. It was the whole set. Don't understand the quick PTBs. Take your time getting to your feet, and compose yourself. The kick then needs to go to touch and we take time getting the line set. Was just dumb from start to finish.

Re: Saints (m) : Sun Jul 10, 2022 11:09 am  

Its great that Wigan and Sts are back to contesting close exciting games. This is great for The derby and good the image of RL.

Wigan and Sts will probably play each other five times this year and only two will really matter in terms of trophies won and lost. Wigan won the first and it will be fascinating to see who wins the GF. On balance, Sts still have the edge overall especially when Walmsley, Percival and Makinson are back. Wigan are still improving but can they improve enough to win the GF this year? I hope I am wrong but I still think they will fall just a little short.