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Re: CCF match discussion : Mon May 30, 2022 7:43 am  
I thought Child had too many involvements in the game, super league refs need to follow the NRL and put the whistle away for the big games and let it flow. In saying that the refs had no part in Wigan's very poor execution, our failure to perform basic skills put us under immense pressure in the semi and final. Wigan had flashes of individual skill and Huddersfield executed the basics very well.

Myself and most of the people I spoke to on the day felt a bit hollow with the win due to Wigan's low standard of play for most of the game.
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Re: CCF match discussion : Mon May 30, 2022 7:49 am  
every try is from a defensive mistake Marshall try the full back was out of position to let him in.
So i think you are being a bit harsh on Smith saying he did this wrong or that as every player makes a mistake in a game what some players do is win the game -Smith & Marshall won that game for us with a big help from all the other Wigan players as without them we prob have lost.
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Re: CCF match discussion : Mon May 30, 2022 8:07 am  
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every try is from a defensive mistake Marshall try the full back was out of position to let him in.
So i think you are being a bit harsh on Smith saying he did this wrong or that as every player makes a mistake in a game what some players do is win the game -Smith & Marshall won that game for us with a big help from all the other Wigan players as without them we prob have lost.


not really ball was shifted from 1 side to the other and kicked across, hes not getting from 1 side to the next in a 5 seconds
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Re: CCF match discussion : Mon May 30, 2022 8:18 am  
I disagree a full back follows the ball from behind his defensive line he did but was a tad too slow.
I know it was a brilliant play by Smith but all I am trying to point out that if there are no defensive lapses no tries would be scored.And if that would be against wigan I bet that some people would point out the same as I have, Field was out of position etc.
All I am doing is defending Wigan players as some folk like to point out mistakes too easily but this happens on both teams hence we have a winner-Wigan this time.
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Re: CCF match discussion : Mon May 30, 2022 8:19 am  
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I disagree a full back follows the ball from behind his defensive line he did but was a tad too slow.
I know it was a brilliant play by Smith but all I am trying to point out that if there are no defensive lapses no tries would be scored.And if that would be against wigan I bet that some people would point out the same as I have, Field was out of position etc.
All I am doing is defending Wigan players as some folk like to point out mistakes too easily but this happens on both teams hence we have a winner-Wigan this time.


yeah he tried but due to the speed of play he couldnt get there, sometimes it just good play
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Re: CCF match discussion : Mon May 30, 2022 8:24 am  
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every try is from a defensive mistake


You could say that about every single try that is scored. The whole point of the game is to force defensive errors or misreads (admittedly some errors are worse than others).
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Re: CCF match discussion : Mon May 30, 2022 8:49 am  
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Fair enough, that’s your opinion. I don’t want to focus on the negatives because he did come up with the key plays but they happened.

After watching it again I would have given it to Smithies (over McQueen) who I thought was superb. The 2 high shots probably cost him that chance too added to the fact we were behind at the time it was decided.

Huge effort in defence and the offload was fantastic for Smiths try.

Smith and Smithies are without doubt the biggest 2 improvers under the stewardship of Peet.


I thought Smithies was unlucky not to get more of a look in for the Lance Todd at the time. Having watched it back, he impressed me even more (one swinging arm aside, the other wasn't that bad imo).

He always managed to put in an amazing shift in defence in terms of effort and tackle count. The difference is now that he's offering far more going forward, definitely in metres but even occasional pieces of skill like the offload to Smith for the first try.

Still a baby for a forward too, he could be some player in 2-3 years when still in his early/mid twenties.
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Re: CCF match discussion : Mon May 30, 2022 8:55 am  
Smithies has been great this year (and was great on Sat) but just needs to keep his discipline in check, particularly in the big games when emotions run high. In the last final we played prior to Saturday he cost us two vital points and if it wasn't for Lolihea's miss and Child's leniency then we could have been having a different conversation about him.
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Re: CCF match discussion : Mon May 30, 2022 9:07 am  
jonh wrote:
Fair enough, that’s your opinion. I don’t want to focus on the negatives because he did come up with the key plays but they happened.

After watching it again I would have given it to Smithies (over McQueen) who I thought was superb. The 2 high shots probably cost him that chance too added to the fact we were behind at the time it was decided.

Huge effort in defence and the offload was fantastic for Smiths try.

Smith and Smithies are without doubt the biggest 2 improvers under the stewardship of Peet.

Fair comment on Smithies. If you take away the swinging arm he was superb. Oppo fans are predictably focusing on the high shot but the irony is he's pretty much cut all that out of his game this year but let the old Smithies resurface when, had he not done, people would be seeing the player he's become.

The reason I put Smith way above either him or McQueen can be best illustrated by that last play. Can you imagine the stick he'd have received had he not executed that perfectly? Had it been even a fraction off everyone would have been slating him. The fact that, as a young half who wasn't even first choice a few games ago, he had the courage to do that in the 77th minute of a Challenge Cup final is next level to anything Smithies or McQueen did.

You're also going overboard on his mistakes too in my opinion. Halves don't have mistake free games. If they do they aren't trying hard enough.
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Re: CCF match discussion : Mon May 30, 2022 9:14 am  
MadDogg wrote:
Smithies has been great this year (and was great on Sat) but just needs to keep his discipline in check, particularly in the big games when emotions run high. In the last final we played prior to Saturday he cost us two vital points and if it wasn't for Lolihea's miss and Child's leniency then we could have been having a different conversation about him.


Once the emotion of the game has worn off, along with the numerous alcoholic beverages and I’ve had chance to watch it back, I agree that he needs to be careful. I love his passion, desire and energy and he had a superb game, which is a continuation of a great season but in the biggest games, he still has that bit of a disciplinary meltdown in him. In the main his discipline is hugely improved, so he can do it. You don’t want to take that edge away from him but just manage it better. He will probably have a few games to rest now and just think about things, as I expect he’ll pick up a few games.
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