Re: ZAK : Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:46 am  

Also uninsured and no MOT... Plank.

Re: ZAK : Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:48 am  

hengirl wrote:

And that’s the thing is t it?

It’s just motoring offences,as long as that’s all it is it’s a bit harsh to lose your job because of it unless driving is the main job and as far as I’m aware he won’t be driving the bus so it seems to me that’s what the club will look at,not as the baying mob would have,his ban included in his latest crime.

Gut instinct if it’s just a driving offence I think the club will stand by him under instruction that he moves here ASAP.

Think that you will be right on the Gut instinct and the sooner he moves in to Batemans house away from his scum mates the better.

Re: ZAK : Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:09 am  

hengirl wrote:

And that’s the thing is t it?

It’s just motoring offences,as long as that’s all it is it’s a bit harsh to lose your job because of it unless driving is the main job and as far as I’m aware he won’t be driving the bus so it seems to me that’s what the club will look at,not as the baying mob would have,his ban included in his latest crime.

Gut instinct if it’s just a driving offence I think the club will stand by him under instruction that he moves here ASAP.

You really need to give your head a shake, It's just motoring offences, What if he had knocked over a little kiddy or even killed a little kiddy, even worse what if it had been a member of your family, would it still be acceptable behaviour as it's just motoring offences?, The way some fans are sticking up for him is unbelievable, He has been given a last chance, It doesn't matter what he has done, by getting arrested he has p!$$ed all over it and proved that he is a lost cause, The club should cut their losses now before he can do more damage, Let him go to some other club that's stupid enough to sign him and if he does come back and score tries against us then big whoopedy doo, players are always going to score against us, That's the whole point of the game ffs

Re: ZAK : Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:13 am  

There is nothing unusual for employees to lose their jobs for conduct outside the workplace. No business likes to get bad publicity and having your name and your employers name all over the national papers and on the TV over incidents like this are grounds for dismissal.

Re: ZAK : Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:31 am  

stpatricks wrote:

There is nothing unusual for employees to lose their jobs for conduct outside the workplace. No business likes to get bad publicity and having your name and your employers name all over the national papers and on the TV over incidents like this are grounds for dismissal.

And that’s what I was trying to get out amongst the hysteria surrounding this,Wigan should only be looking at his behaviour that is in regards to his time at this club,you can’t keep harping back to the many incidents with him,Lenegan decided to go down the rabbit hole Hardaker so it can’t be a surprise to them that this has happened.

The trouble as I see it is what happens if they decide to get rid the president it sets is one they’d have to apply the same ruling to everyone else surely,you can’t have one rule for one etc,so imagine the outcry when in the future fans favourite does the dafty and drink drives and gets caught,out the door you’d go surely?

It matters not what or wether I want to see him stay,in the end of the day he is a very talented lad but clearly has massive issues that perhaps needs sorting away from the game,but as I say to get the sack for just driving offences is harsh and the president it would set is something no doubt they’re trying to work out.

The one thing is for sure Wigan will have the facts,not the shrieking hysteria of threads like this,the facts and not what ifs and while it may disrupt pre season I hope they make the right move for the club,not Hardaker he’s been given a golden chance and seems to have blown it,that leads to the bigger question who’s move was it,Lenegan,Rada,Wane?

Re: ZAK : Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:40 am  

hengirl wrote:

And that’s what I was trying to get out amongst the hysteria surrounding this,Wigan should only be looking at his behaviour that is in regards to his time at this club,you can’t keep harping back to the many incidents with him,Lenegan decided to go down the rabbit hole Hardaker so it can’t be a surprise to them that this has happened.

The trouble as I see it is what happens if they decide to get rid the president it sets is one they’d have to apply the same ruling to everyone else surely,you can’t have one rule for one etc,so imagine the outcry when in the future fans favourite does the dafty and drink drives and gets caught,out the door you’d go surely?

It matters not what or wether I want to see him stay,in the end of the day he is a very talented lad but clearly has massive issues that perhaps needs sorting away from the game,but as I say to get the sack for just driving offences is harsh and the president it would set is something no doubt they’re trying to work out.

The one thing is for sure Wigan will have the facts,not the shrieking hysteria of threads like this,the facts and not what ifs and while it may disrupt pre season I hope they make the right move for the club,not Hardaker he’s been given a golden chance and seems to have blown it,that leads to the bigger question who’s move was it,Lenegan,Rada,Wane?

You could say a precedent was set when Joel Tomkins was shown the door. Maybe that was the line drawn in the sand for the players. Behave like professionals or your out!

Re: ZAK : Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:45 am  

Wigan will sack him if they decide he has brought the club into disrepute rather than the offence itself. I’ve no doubt that will be a clause in his and most if not all contracts.

Wigan also can’t make any public statement or decision until the court case which I think I read somewhere is the 11th October. Should he be found guilty then we have a decision to make, if not then he plays for us next year.

Bottom line is we have until the court case to prepare for a guilty verdict and decide what to do should that happen. Until then we won’t hear any more from the club about it.

Re: ZAK : Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:18 pm  

Trainman wrote:

Wigan will sack him if they decide he has brought the club into disrepute rather than the offence itself. I’ve no doubt that will be a clause in his and most if not all contracts.

Wigan also can’t make any public statement or decision until the court case which I think I read somewhere is the 11th October. Should he be found guilty then we have a decision to make, if not then he plays for us next year.

Bottom line is we have until the court case to prepare for a guilty verdict and decide what to do should that happen. Until then we won’t hear any more from the club about it.

Clutching at straws thinking he might be found not guilty. Drink driving is pretty simple - if you’re over the prescribed limit then you’ve not really got anywhere to go. Pleading not guilty is asking for a more severe punishment.
I’m not sure is necessarily the drink driving that’s going to get him sacked, but the fact that getting caught has highlighted the fact that he’s out on the razz when he’s supposed to be training the next day.

Re: ZAK : Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:36 pm  

nottinghamtiger wrote:

Clutching at straws thinking he might be found not guilty. Drink driving is pretty simple - if you’re over the prescribed limit then you’ve not really got anywhere to go. Pleading not guilty is asking for a more severe punishment.
I’m not sure is necessarily the drink driving that’s going to get him sacked, but the fact that getting caught has highlighted the fact that he’s out on the razz when he’s supposed to be training the next day.

I didn’t say I thought he would be not guilty, nor am I clutching at straws. Try reading a post before replying.

What I said was Wigan cannot and will not act before the court case. The law in this country is innocent until proven guilty.

Re: ZAK : Sat Sep 29, 2018 1:25 pm  

Trainman wrote:

I didn’t say I thought he would be not guilty, nor am I clutching at straws. Try reading a post before replying.

What I said was Wigan cannot and will not act before the court case. The law in this country is innocent until proven guilty.

It doesn't work like that for drink driving though does it, your either over the limit and guilty or you are not, If you are going to court then you are guilty end of, you can can offer mitigating circumstances but that will only go towards the severity of the outcome