Re: v Hull FC : Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:06 pm  

Leyland Warrior wrote:

It's been touted elsewhere that just maybe Clubb said the above, rather than what's been alleged.
May be true ... Maybe not
But what if Clubby claims that's what he actually said?
He's already been tried & condemned across much of Social Media.
Folk rushing to judgement, based only one person's take on events, when it's just as possible what was said contained no racial context whatsoever.
Like I said, just a thought.

I have to say that, having seen that, it sounds a far more likely thing to say. I thought the use of the word Polynesian strange as I've never heard it used in a derogatory way...well, not in the UK at least. Obviously we don't know and anything is possible. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Re: v Hull FC : Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:12 pm  

The Whiffy Kipper wrote:

Yet you keep trying my patience and I make Feka look like Willie Peters

You may not realise it, but we have met. You are vast, but in no way intimidating

Re: v Hull FC : Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:17 pm  

bonaire wrote:

Just wonder what your Polynesian coach Lam thinks about it
Cant see Clubb playing for your club again

Seems to have a great relationship with Clubb in fairness, so he’ll probably see it for what it is and that’s a mistake the bloke will be punished for. Decent people make mistakes in life every single day and presuming it’s true, then Clubb has made one. You can see from reading this thread what an absolute minefield the whole race issue has become. Am I surprised a rugby player may not be quite on top of what is and isn’t deemed acceptable in today’s society? Not at all but maybe the game can help him and other players by educating them.

His future at Wigan may well be in the balance. I await the ‘we dumped him because he’s rubbish’ debate with glee.

Re: v Hull FC : Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:37 pm  

Phuzzy wrote:

I have to say that, having seen that, it sounds a far more likely thing to say. I thought the use of the word Polynesian strange as I've never heard it used in a derogatory way...well, not in the UK at least. Obviously we don't know and anything is possible. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

It's not 'Polynesian' that was used pejoratively it was the word used in conjunction with the ones either side of it,

It's also quite a stretch to think that Savelio missed heard Clubb saying "You put your knees in..."

Re: v Hull FC : Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:32 pm  

I've just watched the game back. For the first 15 mins I watched Clubb and Savellio (yes I'm sad). Savellio doesn't do anything unusual with his knees during that time and his knees aren't near Clubb during the tackle where they come together. Has Clubb actually claimed this, or is a fan just putting forward a possible excuse? Having watched the circumstances back, I don't buy it at all.

Re: v Hull FC : Fri Apr 30, 2021 5:04 pm  

Grimmy wrote:

I've just watched the game back. For the first 15 mins I watched Clubb and Savellio (yes I'm sad). Savellio doesn't do anything unusual with his knees during that time and his knees aren't near Clubb during the tackle where they come together. Has Clubb actually claimed this, or is a fan just putting forward a possible excuse? Having watched the circumstances back, I don't buy it at all.

Nah, absolutely nothing official.
Comment made on another RL Forum that seemed like a reasonable 'alternative' explanation, amidst all the online clamour to simply brand Clubby guilty out of hand.
Hopefully the club will follow correct investigation protocols now & not be swayed by all the outsider 'noise'.
Clubby must have the right to respond without prejudice &"whatever comes of that is fine by me.

Re: v Hull FC : Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:50 pm  

CobraCraig wrote:

But your nationality isn’t your race that’s what people are getting confused with (although it maybe is confusing xenophobia is accepted on the whole and racism isn’t). If he’d have called him a New Zealand friend or English friend I don’t think we’d be having this conversation.
I also agree that Polynesian isn’t a racist word, but sandwiched between stupid and c**t it brings on another meaning like putting any other accepted name for a race in between.

I think Clubb's brain couldn't work out what nationality he was and went up to the next thing ie, North of England, England, Great Britain, Europe, Northern Hemisphere, Earth or NZ, Polynesia, Southern Hemisphere, Earth. If he said feckin instead of Polynesian there is no issue, but given the respect on and off the field in our game for people from that part of the world, and it is not a slur outside the game, I'm not sure Clubb is using the world Polynesian to do anything but drive it home that it is aimed at Savelio, and that stupid and the c word are meant to be the offensive bits in his verbal attack.

Re: v Hull FC : Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:56 pm  

Grimmy wrote:

You may not realise it, but we have met. You are vast, but in no way intimidating

Where was this then

Re: v Hull FC : Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:05 pm  

Pemps wrote:

I would suggest that Polynesian is a race of people. I've googled it and it's a bit ambiguous but the general feeling is it's a race.

If he did say it I would hope it's out of pure ignorance to the fact that it's a race of people rather than a nationality. Like has already been said, if he'd called him a "Stupid Kiwi C@@t" then there's perhaps nothing to see here.

Polynesians are an ethnic group, as Europeans would be considered to meet the definition of an ethnic group. I don't condone abuse of anyone, but given that it's not a slur, we respect the various Polynesian cultures, and there is a deep on-field respect for people from Polynesian countries, and heritage, it doesn't seem like intentional racism. I genuinely think Clubby doesn't know whether Savelio is English or a Kiwi, and settles on vague. Trying to get inside the mind of a prop-forward is not the easiest, but I hope that there is no intent, that he can learn about nations, ethnic groups, races and why it is best to steer clear of using identifiers in-between the bits that are meant to be the insult.

Re: v Hull FC : Sat May 01, 2021 12:46 am  

ComeOnYouUll wrote:

It's not 'Polynesian' that was used pejoratively it was the word used in conjunction with the ones either side of it,

It's also quite a stretch to think that Savelio missed heard Clubb saying "You put your knees in..."

As I said, I don't know either way. Merely commenting that 'Polynesian' seems a very strange slur coming from an Englishman. I've literally never come across it as a slur in any way, shape or form in this country and I'm willing to bet neither have you or anyone else on this board. An odd choice if true but not beyond the realms of possibility.

I'm not even sure it's a slur anywhere else in the world for that matter. I've spent time in Australia and New Zealand and I never heard it there either. Don't get me wrong, I'm not excusing it if it was used. I'm sure Clubb will be dealt with appropriately if that's the case and rightly so.