: Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:17 pm  

pieman in yorkshire wrote:

I wasn't condoning what he has done but given the google search on here about masking it and alleged widespread use in certain areas of society then it seems certain to me that he was stupid to get caught, a point that doesn't surprise me.

One question is, if the test is so easy to fool then, why not find a workaround
If the facts are correct with traces remaining for months then the RFL drugs test should include having a sample of hair taken as well.

This news is not only a bad day for rugby league but also a sad reflection on society today, it highlights the inadequacies of the testing system which obviously need to be more stringent.

You clearly state that you don't condone what he did but seem very concerned that he didn't try harder to cheat the illegal drug taking detection system, IMO it's not something that we should even be thinking of, the only question is did he take it or not.

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:18 pm  

rsefitpro2007 wrote:

Just not what the club need at the minute, languishing in 10th place, a coach under pressure, and players not performing. Now we have Gareth Hock allegedly (and i will use that word unless proved guilty) taking cocaine.

The name of Wigan is going through the mud on and off the pitch, and it's time something was done to restore the reputation of the club.

The name Wigan RLFC has been stuck deep down in the mud for 3-4 years! Maybe longer! I thought Lenegan was going to resolve some of these issues? What did he say at he first fans forum when he asked who felt that the name of the club was tarnished and most people ir not all agreed? Well Mr Chairman, its much more than tarnished now...more like deep set stainage

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:18 pm  

Last Son of Wigan wrote:

It's an indication of what it's like in Wigan. I'm not going overboard its the way it is.

Long time since I've been up King Street (and not just cos I live abroad).
Why pay to get in somewhere where you have to almost pish yourself cos there are 2 or 3 lads in the toilet chalking up.
The place is a mess.

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:18 pm  

Last Son of Wigan wrote:

Its just not gonna happen in the real world.

I see your point, it won't happen because it'll potentially be like a bomb going off with potentially a good few people being caught.

To me that's sad and suggests a mild form of acceptance that it does happen in professional sport, but as long as we catch some of 'em then that's ok.

Look at the Bath RU problems. The club supposedly asked several players to take additional tests and they all resigned. To balance this up, I should say that this issue is still ongoing and nothing has been proved either way.

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:18 pm  

Wonder what Tim Smith thought when he was brought over to sort out his problems and then saw Hock has alledgedly doing this.

Surely someone within the club knew?

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:18 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

I'm sure they can with athletes.

They can just turn up and spring a test on them whenever they want.

Be realistic. They might say they do that but they don't. Clubs will do what they can to keep hold of a player, especially good ones if they can, players = winning =trophies=money.

Players only get caught when they totally fu@k it up.

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:19 pm  

Steinlager wrote:

Exactly, Wigan RL is on its knees and requires someone to come in and shake it up from top to bottom.

Certainly if there was a drug culture at the club, I'd encourage the RFL to take more tests. In this day of age its the only way we'd root them out.

The coaching job for whoever takes it has just become a whole heap bigger/tougher!

We need an absolute monster of a coach to come in a discipline this shower of sh*te!

I said last week i wanted Brian McDermott............................even he may not be tough enough to whip these wasters into shape!

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:19 pm  

Rilo wrote:

I see your point, it won't happen because it'll potentially be like a bomb going off with potentially a good few people being caught.

To me that's sad and suggests a mild form of acceptance that it does happen in professional sport, but as long as we catch some of 'em then that's ok.

Look at the Bath RU problems. The club supposedly asked several players to take additional tests and they all resigned. To balance this up, I should say that this issue is still ongoing and nothing has been proved either way.

Ideally and realistically are two very different things I'm sad to say in professional sport.

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:20 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

I'm sure they can with athletes.

They can just turn up and spring a test on them whenever they want.

They should be able to, warning players a test is coming is stupid

: Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:20 pm  

Woody_woody wrote:

Think that was for a different drug - a fat burning one.

I'm talking about this drug specifically which is used widespread in RL and has been for many years. Even some of our legends if rumours are to be believed.

England union international Matt Stevens.