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Re: Forward watch : Sat Feb 26, 2022 1:05 am  
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The starting partnership of Ellis/Singleton is for my money excellent. They both laid down the marker last night and within the first 10mins secured the win by outenthusing and dominating Huddersfield’s pack IMO. Mago was quiet but still good and I disagree with some posters re Byrne, I thought he put himself about a lot.

My disappointment comes in Partington. Honestly I didn’t even know he’d come on until it was announced he was off for Isa.


Partington isn’t ever going to be an impact player from the bench. The only way you’re going to get a good contribution from him imo is to start him and play him for 80 minutes and probably as a loose forward because he’ll not make the ground you want from a prop forward.

It’s unfair to say this (but I’ll say it anyway) in a way but he has summed up everything that has been wrong with this team in the last couple of years. He’s still a youngster even now but we’ve treated him and played him like he’s a senior prop forward for a few seasons now. It’s been a joke in many ways and unfair on Partington himself.

I’m not writing him off, I do think he’s a good player (when used correctly) but the competition looks too hot for him at the minute. He’d be my 6th choice prop (after the 4 in the side now and Havard) and at best 3rd choice loose forward (after Smithies and Isa and possibly lower if you shifted Ellis to loose and it would be close with Shorrocks), so it’s not going to be easy. Ultimately it shouldn’t be easy but it has been easy for too many seasons now for these young forwards fo get a place in the side.
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Re: Forward watch : Sat Feb 26, 2022 7:39 am  
Promising signs so far with both Mago and Ellis, Mago looks a handful and more exiting on the eye but Ellis is putting up good numbers on the quiet which is more impressive, maybe we’ve finally got a prop who can go about his business week in week out making around 100m
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Re: Forward watch : Sat Feb 26, 2022 8:55 am  
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Partington isn’t ever going to be an impact player from the bench. The only way you’re going to get a good contribution from him imo is to start him and play him for 80 minutes and probably as a loose forward because he’ll not make the ground you want from a prop forward.

It’s unfair to say this (but I’ll say it anyway) in a way but he has summed up everything that has been wrong with this team in the last couple of years. He’s still a youngster even now but we’ve treated him and played him like he’s a senior prop forward for a few seasons now. It’s been a joke in many ways and unfair on Partington himself.

I’m not writing him off, I do think he’s a good player (when used correctly) but the competition looks too hot for him at the minute. He’d be my 6th choice prop (after the 4 in the side now and Havard) and at best 3rd choice loose forward (after Smithies and Isa and possibly lower if you shifted Ellis to loose and it would be close with Shorrocks), so it’s not going to be easy. Ultimately it shouldn’t be easy but it has been easy for too many seasons now for these young forwards fo get a place in the side.


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Re: Forward watch : Sat Feb 26, 2022 10:25 am  
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Partington isn’t ever going to be an impact player from the bench. The only way you’re going to get a good contribution from him imo is to start him and play him for 80 minutes and probably as a loose forward because he’ll not make the ground you want from a prop forward.

It’s unfair to say this (but I’ll say it anyway) in a way but he has summed up everything that has been wrong with this team in the last couple of years. He’s still a youngster even now but we’ve treated him and played him like he’s a senior prop forward for a few seasons now. It’s been a joke in many ways and unfair on Partington himself.

I’m not writing him off, I do think he’s a good player (when used correctly) but the competition looks too hot for him at the minute. He’d be my 6th choice prop (after the 4 in the side now and Havard) and at best 3rd choice loose forward (after Smithies and Isa and possibly lower if you shifted Ellis to loose and it would be close with Shorrocks), so it’s not going to be easy. Ultimately it shouldn’t be easy but it has been easy for too many seasons now for these young forwards fo get a place in the side.

I'm sure Partington would have loved being a 1st choice over the last couple of seasons but, like for all the young players, in the long term it hasn't been beneficial. We often say that the increased game time when injury strikes will stand them in good stead down the line but in our case they've been overworked and not had to be at their best to make the side. They've been automatic choices. A busted up Harry Smith played every game last year. For me, that speaks volumes.

Partington has something to offer. At this stage of his career (or should I say the previous 2 years of his career) it isn't as a starting prop! Again I think it speaks volumes that, not only has he been exactly that, but he was also never in danger of being dropped no matter how well or how badly he played.

For me he is now down the order. That may be a good thing or bad thing for his career. Only time will tell but at least we know he needs to be at his absolute best to make the matchday squad. That's as it should be. It could be the making of him.
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Re: Forward watch : Sat Feb 26, 2022 10:41 am  
I thought Mago's contribution was disappointing. Brought on with 10 mins to half time, he was then subbed 8 minutes into the 2nd half - 18 mins on the field with a 15 minute break halfway. I'd expect at least 25-30 mins from an impact prop if it involved a 15 minute half-time break.

Is he the new Paleasina - 100% wages for 25% work?
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Re: Forward watch : Sat Feb 26, 2022 1:12 pm  
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I thought Mago's contribution was disappointing. Brought on with 10 mins to half time, he was then subbed 8 minutes into the 2nd half - 18 mins on the field with a 15 minute break halfway. I'd expect at least 25-30 mins from an impact prop if it involved a 15 minute half-time break.

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Re: Forward watch : Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:17 pm  
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I thought Mago's contribution was disappointing. Brought on with 10 mins to half time, he was then subbed 8 minutes into the 2nd half - 18 mins on the field with a 15 minute break halfway. I'd expect at least 25-30 mins from an impact prop if it involved a 15 minute half-time break.

Is he the new Paleasina - 100% wages for 25% work?


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Re: Forward watch : Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:19 pm  
Regarding Partington, in my opinion he isn’t good enough and should be let go as soon as possible.

He’s a consequence of us letting too many forwards go at the same time, whilst bringing too many youngsters in at the same time.

Of all the players who have played in the league this year he’s the weakest and you cannot consider him a youngster anymore.
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Re: Forward watch : Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:50 pm  
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I didn't check the times, but at the game, he seemed to come on a fair few times, and I thought he did fine. I don't see the problem.
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Re: Forward watch : Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:45 am  
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I didn't check the times, but at the game, he seemed to come on a fair few times, and I thought he did fine. I don't see the problem.


TBH I thought he'd come back on for a 2nd spell etc.
However
My comment is based around the critique of player playing only his 3rd game, and implying that he's lazy/not worth his wages and all the negative associations with Fekas time here which a lot was based around bad defence and lack of minutes.

Hes had 3 games well above average for me, 2 in particular were very good.

Last year after we signed him there were a few who were relaying stories about their mates watching him in a game saying he was blowing out his backside after 10mins etc in a particular game leading to IMO a stereotypical assessment of him as a player of that heritage. My mate watched the same game, and said he did 60mins (in fact he'd played the whole of the 1st half I believe) and that He will go "Just fine" for Wigan.

Here we are after his 3rd game and we have someone already associating certain traits to a player with no context being applied. Maybe his shorter game.time this week (if it actually was?) Was down to other issues, game plan etc?

And so the ball starts to roll, and I can see it now after a defeat at some point the, the same, old same old, Will start.

Without wishing to rake up old coals, we had a "Prop Forward" here who for the last 4 years couldn't do 15mins a game, or 15 games a season and contributed sod all but seemed to be invisible to that criticism (certainly until the last 12/15months of his time here).

I mentioned on our WhatsApp rugby group and may have impleod it on here, I'm not concerned about 1 player becoming a "Walmesley" or Chris Hill etc doing 80 mins, 200mtrs and a billion tackles each week.
I want a "Pack" that performs well, works well together, compliments each other etc.

TBH the other site had me shaking my head more than this the other day (I dont post, just read, and I need to stop doing that!).
Singletons now not good enough, Partington not good enough (and he's getting stick on here) etc. And don't even get me started I thebother sites appraisal of Sam Powell, they're like a dog with a bone.

After week 1 at HKR I knew we'd played well, and after week 2 I again knew we had, you know why?
Lack of posts/traffic on here and the other site.
I bet there weren't 50 posts on either site after the first 2 wins about the game/players.

1 defeat and all that will change

The Team have improved 5 x fold over the off season
Is it the finished article, No, and that's good as I think we will improve further in time.
Are we the best team in the comp, No, not yet, and it will take time, but we've made massive strides in the off season and imo are 80% of what we need to be after regressing alarmingly over the last 3 years.

But some people want to look at every tiny fragment and when it's perceived as a negative (without any context or background info or evidence) rip it open and disect it and blow it of all proportion into some kind of massive issue.

As I said in the WhatsApp group after the Friendlies and the HKR game

The new set up have achieved many things for me in such a short space of time but 2 stand out

1/ we don't look Soft anymore = Tick
2 we don't look amateurish = Tick

I'm going to add another, Fans of, and other clubs aren't laughing at us anymore and starting to concern themselves about us again.

That in itself is a remarkable achievement in such a short space of time.
The players also need a bit time to settle I to all this as well.
And currently every one of them seems to be doing so just fine IMO
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