Re: Field back : Sun Jun 04, 2023 5:07 pm  

Egg Chasing wrote:

Well he's capable of playing as a prop with his size and can tackle pretty hard so the only thing stopping him being what you suggest is his hands is it not?

To be fair for my money Smithies should be at prop and not back row or lock.

Re: Field back : Sun Jun 04, 2023 5:27 pm  

100% Warrior wrote:

To be fair for my money Smithies should be at prop and not back row or lock.

He's not big enough

Re: Field back : Sun Jun 04, 2023 5:51 pm  

Wigg'n wrote:

From what I can see we are also missing a captain.

Oh and also Briers.

That was one of the reasons I jokingly (I think) mentioned Tommy - not the greatest scrum half we have had but one thing he could do was organise and tell others what was needed - things this current team are very much lacking, we are crying out at times for an on field general.

I agree I think Briers is a big miss.

Re: Field back : Sun Jun 04, 2023 5:58 pm  

How many props were you missing today pisscat?

Re: Field back : Sun Jun 04, 2023 7:41 pm  

Egg Chasing wrote:

So by a "big stand off" you mean over 6ft and over 95KG.

Jesus......how many of them are there in the modern game? Sounds like GB in the early 00s of Faz at 6 and Scully at 13 and vice versa.

Yes, a big stand off. So maybe a stand-off who is 6ft and can be bulked up 10kg. I’d say a lower grade Aussie who matches that description and can tackle, switch him to 13. Like your Brad Fitler in his latter years, or Sculthorpe/Farrell/Lockers.

Or a Prop with good hands, a stand off born into a props body so to speak like your Lee Crooks, Sam Burgess, James Graham etc.

There aren’t many in the modern game because the game has been dumbed down into middles, pivots and edges but there are players who can be shaped into that position.

Re: Field back : Sun Jun 04, 2023 7:50 pm  

post wrote:

The benchmark for props is Jason Taumalolo or JWH both take it up twice a set and make 100m in the first half of a game. Can the Wigan props not set personal goals to do something similar?

It doesn’t help that Powell takes an extra second with getting the ball from the floor to the man, that second is an extra 1 or 2 metres that the defence line gains before contact therefore in a set we could be 5-10 more metres down the pitch.

I like Kaide Ellis, I think he needs another prop mate to bounce off, he looks like he isn’t enjoying his time here when he’s on the pitch. Like Craig Smith had Pongia to spur him on Ellis needs a fellow Aussie prop to spur him on, bit of competition. I think Ellis could be a very good prop for us if given the right environment and coaching.

I think a lot of the problems within the team stem from the whole edges, pivots and middles classification of players because to pigeon hole players into these categories it takes away their skill, expertise and nous to play rugby league and makes them robots to what the coach wants and if the coach gets it wrong then the team loses.

We need a 6 that is a runner off the 7 or 1, that can put kicks in normally short kicks and has that turn of pace. Field lacks the kicking game and Cust lacks the speed.

We need a 7 with a long kicking game, a massive gob that doesn’t shut up organising, probing, testing, scheming and can spot weaknesses in the defence and use a few plays to build up to a move/attack. Smith has the kicking game and can spot weakness but he lacks the gob and organisation skills and seems to lose confidence pretty quickly, Briers worked wonders with him so appointing another coach that would help Smith would be cheaper than getting rid. I’m thinking someone along the lines of Sean Long, Kevin Brown, Danny a rough etc eg an ex-SL player who could organise with a rugby brain.

We don’t need YouTube props, I’m sick of us buying them. On the pitch we need a metre eating work horse like Terry O’Connor/Coley along side someone with a bit more punch/size/aggression with an offload like your JWH/ Fielden but the impact player should not be a Feka or a lazy 1 drive and an offload and then off.

We need proper back rowers, Isa is too small and I don’t think understands the game enough to be a top drawer back rower, utility player yes. Smithies, Farrell and Shorrocks all lack size. Nsemba lacks experience but looks like the back rower I like, his try in the cup prime example of what a proper back rower can do when they run a good line, a try that only Liam Farrell could have scored.

Loose forward, should be a prop with good hands or a big stand off that can tackle. Smithies is neither, Smithies should be moulded into a hooker in my opinion. Shorrocks is not big enough to play 13 either.

I thought you had stopped watching Wigan?

Re: Field back : Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:10 am  

TheWarringtonWolve69 wrote:

I thought you had stopped watching Wigan?

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Re: Field back : Mon Jun 05, 2023 7:26 am  

post wrote:

Yes, a big stand off. So maybe a stand-off who is 6ft and can be bulked up 10kg. I’d say a lower grade Aussie who matches that description and can tackle, switch him to 13. Like your Brad Fitler in his latter years, or Sculthorpe/Farrell/Lockers.

Or a Prop with good hands, a stand off born into a props body so to speak like your Lee Crooks, Sam Burgess, James Graham etc.

There aren’t many in the modern game because the game has been dumbed down into middles, pivots and edges but there are players who can be shaped into that position.

Do you think that is potentially a bit ambitious?

The players you name are up there with the best to ever play the game, not running around in park football in Australia.

Our biggest issue at the moment is lack of props due to injury and a 7 whose confidence seems to be on its aris.

We get props back we will fine despite the ropey spell we are going through.

Re: Field back : Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:49 am  

Just take the goal kicking duties off Smith, easy call, take some pressure off him, if someone else misses, they miss

Re: Field back : Mon Jun 05, 2023 10:19 am  

apollosghost wrote:

Just take the goal kicking duties off Smith, easy call, take some pressure off him, if someone else misses, they miss

I agree give it to Field he can miss aswell.