Re: Forward watch : Wed Feb 23, 2022 5:41 pm  

Itchy Arsenal wrote:

A good joust with reasonable debate going on.

Can anybody see this happening on RedVee?

To be fair, I've read this site for a long time, always nice to know what the enemy thinks of you

Despite the rivalry there's some very sensible and knowledgeable posters on here that can give credit where its due. I've certainly not come on here for unncessary arguments. Both YG and Rogues Gallery will confirm that I'm fair minded.

Re: Forward watch : Wed Feb 23, 2022 6:06 pm  

Stu M wrote:

To be fair, I've read this site for a long time, always nice to know what the enemy thinks of you

Despite the rivalry there's some very sensible and knowledgeable posters on here that can give credit where its due. I've certainly not come on here for unncessary arguments. Both YG and Rogues Gallery will confirm that I'm fair minded.

I’ve stood back and enjoyed it Stu.

It’s a good to see someone else’s perspective on things. It’s almost impossible to change an opposing fans mind on most subjects but for me it’s still good to hear opposing views particularly if it’s good humoured and honest.

Personally I think Saints are capable of a clean sweep this season. You are exceptionally hard to beat.
We are making good progress and after the dross of Lam hopefully our trajectory will continue upwards. Another really good prop and I think we would be a serious threat to you. If we could (don’t laugh) swop Walmsley for say Singleton I’d go into a match with you quietly confident. For all my criticism of Walmsley he his a top notch player and would transform any team in the league.

For all that I will still laugh and whoop when you lose. lol

Re: Forward watch : Wed Feb 23, 2022 6:16 pm  

Stu M wrote:

That's an easy one. Coote hands down however to be fair I'd probably say he's in our top 3 overseas signings from the last 20 years or so. His longevity, assists, goal kicking, defence and organisational ability was top class. You can already see now with Welsby from watching at the game that positionally he has a lot to learn, Makinson regularly talks to him throughout the game guiding him where to go.

I agree 100% It wouldn't even be worth a debate. Just to relate that back to the discussion we're having, he's by far the better player despite having nowhere near Barba's attacking threat. In fact he doesn't even have anywhere near French's attacking threat for that matter. The reason he's the better player is because he's the better player in the round. Not as good in attack but waaaay better in defence, a better influence on the team, better professional and a better club man. All things that combine to make him the better player.

As I said, you can't separate out 1 individual aspect and say "because they're exceptional at that, it negates all the negatives". If that were the case you'd have picked Barba over Coote.

Re: Forward watch : Wed Feb 23, 2022 6:20 pm  

Itchy Arsenal wrote:

A good joust with reasonable debate going on.

Can anybody see this happening on RedVee?

Never mind sitting back and being entertained...get some work done! I'm doing all the heavy lifting here

Re: Forward watch : Wed Feb 23, 2022 6:50 pm  

Itchy Arsenal wrote:

I’ve stood back and enjoyed it Stu.

It’s a good to see someone else’s perspective on things. It’s almost impossible to change an opposing fans mind on most subjects but for me it’s still good to hear opposing views particularly if it’s good humoured and honest.

Personally I think Saints are capable of a clean sweep this season. You are exceptionally hard to beat.
We are making good progress and after the dross of Lam hopefully our trajectory will continue upwards. Another really good prop and I think we would be a serious threat to you. If we could (don’t laugh) swop Walmsley for say Singleton I’d go into a match with you quietly confident. For all my criticism of Walmsley he his a top notch player and would transform any team in the league.

For all that I will still laugh and whoop when you lose. lol

It’s a strange one with Wigan at the moment for me. I can’t work out if they are any good or not. Clearly it’s an improvement on last season and they have some real pace in the backs. The pack has looked decent but I feel they would come up short against Catalans or Saints.

They’ve also played HKR who looked really out of sorts and a new spine and then Leeds who had lots missing. However Wigan have definitely looked much better, I guess time will tell.

Re: Forward watch : Wed Feb 23, 2022 11:43 pm  

Phuzzy wrote:

Never mind sitting back and being entertained...get some work done! I'm doing all the heavy lifting here

I’d say you on points pretty comfortably. No need for my pontificating.
Genuinely enjoyed it.

Re: Forward watch : Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:25 am  

Stu M wrote:

That's an easy one. Coote hands down however to be fair I'd probably say he's in our top 3 overseas signings from the last 20 years or so. His longevity, assists, goal kicking, defence and organisational ability was top class. You can already see now with Welsby from watching at the game that positionally he has a lot to learn, Makinson regularly talks to him throughout the game guiding him where to go.

Longevity?

You only had him for 3 years from the age of 28…

Re: Forward watch : Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:48 am  

nathan_rugby wrote:

Longevity?

You only had him for 3 years from the age of 28…

Compared to some overseas signings, 3 years is a decent time, some only do a year before they get homesick. Also I was comparing him to Barba who only did one and a half seasons with us so Coote was at Saints for double the amount of time.

Re: Forward watch : Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:27 am  

Coote was (is) a very clever player, his reading of the game excellent. However his feigning of injury was annoying, borderline cheating?

My favourite memory of him was his tackle on Regan Grace as Bevan French raced past them both for the try that set up Wigans win in the League Leaders decider at your gaff in 2020.

Re: Forward watch : Thu Feb 24, 2022 10:39 am  

Itchy Arsenal wrote:

I’d say you on points pretty comfortably. No need for my pontificating.
Genuinely enjoyed it.

*Holds trophy aloft to the cheers of the massive crowd*

Cheers mate. I enjoyed it too. Kudos to FTV and Stu for engaging in the way they did. It's a real pity there aren't more like them as it's always enjoyable to get the opposition viewpoint when it's done like this.The LeBron/Wolf69s of this world are just sad and tedious.

On a similar note I remember having some great discussions and banter with opposition fans on the way to games. It's was one of the things that made Rugby special. It's a shame it doesn't translate across forums like this more.