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Re: Rumours and signings v8 : Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:15 am  
Justin Morgan to be Canberra assistant.
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Re: Rumours and signings v8 : Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:38 am  
Paul Youane wrote:
I think you will find that Termination Payments do relate to players whose contracts are terminated and covered by the RFL's standard temination agreement. How salary cap values are calculated are irrelevant when the player in question is discarded from the club's first or second tier.

Do you not agree that when a player's contact is terminated in accordance with 6.1.2 and 6.1.3 then they are removed from that's club salary cap calculation? If not then please explain what 6.1.3 means.


Again you completely miss the point. All I've stated is that termination payments count on the cap which you original disputed, and have been proved wrong (again).Termination payments are not salary and will still count on the cap.

I was also the person who had to tell you what happens when players leave clubs during a cap year - I'm well aware when happens, I had to tell you the rules previously remember when you got yourself into a lather when you mistakenly thought Gleeson's salary was still counting on our cap.

Lets say Wigan want rid of Roberts next year and decide to pay him off in January and agree a £50,000 one-off fee. While his whole salary for the cap year will fall off our calculation, the £50k will not, effectively giving us £50k less to play with. As I've had to tell you previously when you sign someone during the year, their cap value is calculated against the entire cap year, so if we signed someone mid-year and pay him £50k for the rest of the year, his cap value is £100k.
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Re: Rumours and signings v8 : Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:42 am  
Paul Youane wrote:
So do you agree that if a club was found to be operating against the spirit of the cap then it is an act constituting a salary cap breach and punishable as such? Some others around here seem to think otherwise.


Were have I said it wasn't?

That's right I haven't so why bring it up?
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Re: Rumours and signings v8 : Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:43 am  
The Sun is reporting that we are looking to let some of our youngsters go. They mention Acton, Spencer, Leatherbarrow and Marsh. Though they refer to Acton as a prop and Marsh as a half back so dont know how well to take it.
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Re: Rumours and signings v8 : Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:39 pm  
Wigan/Leeds Andy wrote:
Again you completely miss the point. All I've stated is that termination payments count on the cap which you original disputed, and have been proved wrong (again).Termination payments are not salary and will still count on the cap.

I was also the person who had to tell you what happens when players leave clubs during a cap year - I'm well aware when happens, I had to tell you the rules previously remember when you got yourself into a lather when you mistakenly thought Gleeson's salary was still counting on our cap.

Lets say Wigan want rid of Roberts next year and decide to pay him off in January and agree a £50,000 one-off fee. While his whole salary for the cap year will fall off our calculation, the £50k will not, effectively giving us £50k less to play with. As I've had to tell you previously when you sign someone during the year, their cap value is calculated against the entire cap year, so if we signed someone mid-year and pay him £50k for the rest of the year, his cap value is £100k.


Under the current rules if a player is not either a first or second tier salary cap player then they do not count in the cap calculations, see rule 3.1.1. Do we agree that?

The salary cap is measured against the aggregate cost "at that time" of respectively the first and second tier players. Do we agree that?

Point me to the specific where it says that a Termination Payment becomes part of the cap if you think your Roberts example is correct.


The rules were different when the Hicks situation arose. How do you explain the Hicks / Monaghan situation where it was commonly reported that Hicks was paid-up to free salary cap space to sign Monaghan?
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Re: Rumours and signings v8 : Fri Aug 26, 2011 12:50 pm  
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The Sun is reporting that we are looking to let some of our youngsters go. They mention Acton, Spencer, Leatherbarrow and Marsh. Though they refer to Acton as a prop and Marsh as a half back so dont know how well to take it.


If Acton does go then I hope he goes to Quins RL, Leatherbarrow hasn't really impressed bar his last game v Salford.

I'd be really disappointed however if Spencer is released, as he has been our stand out prop in this years U20's.
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Re: Rumours and signings v8 : Sun Aug 28, 2011 2:09 pm  
Paul Youane wrote:
Under the current rules if a player is not either a first or second tier salary cap player then they do not count in the cap calculations, see rule 3.1.1. Do we agree that?

The salary cap is measured against the aggregate cost "at that time" of respectively the first and second tier players. Do we agree that?

Point me to the specific where it says that a Termination Payment becomes part of the cap if you think your Roberts example is correct.


The rules were different when the Hicks situation arose. How do you explain the Hicks / Monaghan situation where it was commonly reported that Hicks was paid-up to free salary cap space to sign Monaghan?


Re 3.1.1 yes their "salary" does not count, but if you read 6.1.3 and 6.2 you'll see that only their "original salary cap value" falls off and that they will only agree payments providing it wouldn't take the team over the cap. Not well written I agree but if you didn't take these things into account it basically lets clubs pay considerably more than the cap value if they wanted to by paying termination payments to release them early and get other people in.

Re Hick as you've shown, that was using different regs, so I don't know the details. But from what I remember Hicks retired didn't he?
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Re: Rumours and signings v8 : Sun Aug 28, 2011 3:57 pm  
Jason Chan to Hudds next year.
Decent signing (for them) IMO
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Re: Rumours and signings v8 : Sun Aug 28, 2011 4:51 pm  
Has stu fielden signed a new deal at Wigan?
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Re: Rumours and signings v8 : Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:02 pm  
St pete wrote:
Has stu fielden signed a new deal at Wigan?

He signed a 2 year deal last year.
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