Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Mon Jul 31, 2023 3:06 pm  

apollosghost wrote:

Reckon he'll end up at 6 when Lomax goes, he's got the skills for there and I think he'll be more comfortable defending there, bit of the opposite to Field, Jai doesn't seem to have the physicality to defend in the middle but when someone breaks through against us I've never any doubt that Field will make the tackle, his technique is exceptional were as Jack looks like he could get turned inside out by anyone with a step

I’ve said similar on here. I think he’d be even better at 6. Defensively he’s not outstanding and also under the high ball.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Mon Jul 31, 2023 5:14 pm  

Stu M wrote:

I’ve said similar on here. I think he’d be even better at 6. Defensively he’s not outstanding and also under the high ball.

The problem is that he would have to do a lot more defending. Teams will push a lot of traffic his way. Anyway, it will not be an issue is Saints don’t offer him marquee money quickly.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Thu Aug 03, 2023 9:21 pm  

Egg Chasing wrote:

For me........it's because he's an a***.

Roby just goes about his business and does it extremely well. Never seems to be in any controversial moments during a game etc. Welsby is one of those that screams in a players face when they make a mistake and puts a target on his back for fans. He doesn't mind staying down where it may benefit his side neither (not the only one in the league granted) which are all things he just doesn't need to do.

Same as Sam Tomkins was/is. A great player, but one I feel opposition fans will just never take to. Not sure if he'll ever get to the point where fans boo him playing for England though

To be fair, you claimed that Wigan should be playing field on the wing. This clearly means you know absolutely nothing about rugby league.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Fri Aug 04, 2023 7:53 am  

TheWarringtonWolve69 wrote:

To be fair, you claimed that Wigan should be playing field on the wing. This clearly means you know absolutely nothing about rugby league.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:51 am  

Egg Chasing wrote:

For me........it's because he's an a***.

Roby just goes about his business and does it extremely well. Never seems to be in any controversial moments during a game etc. Welsby is one of those that screams in a players face when they make a mistake and puts a target on his back for fans. He doesn't mind staying down where it may benefit his side neither (not the only one in the league granted) which are all things he just doesn't need to do.

Same as Sam Tomkins was/is. A great player, but one I feel opposition fans will just never take to. Not sure if he'll ever get to the point where fans boo him playing for England though

Jack is a fine player and definitely one of the best in SL but he ain’t no Tomkins yet. I have said it before Tomkins is probably the best full back I have seen at Wigan and I have watched them a long time.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:09 am  

Zig wrote:

Jack is a fine player and definitely one of the best in SL but he ain’t no Tomkins yet. I have said it before Tomkins is probably the best full back I have seen at Wigan and I have watched them a long time.

He isn’t and won’t ever be another Tomkins because he doesn’t have the pace. He’s far from slow but Sam was electric in those first few seasons. I’d say Welsby picks a pass better than early Sam Tomkins (but Tomkins has developed ten fold on that due to losing that pace) but he’s well behind in terms of individual threat. Realistically I think Tomkins started at 6 but made the right move to go in to 1, whereas I think Welsby should go the other way. We’d then probably compare him more to guys like Williams, Lomax or actually a comparison to a modern day Sam Tomkins would be more apt. He is now a quicker version of the Sam Tomkins we see playing today.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sun Aug 06, 2023 10:27 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

He isn’t and won’t ever be another Tomkins because he doesn’t have the pace. He’s far from slow but Sam was electric in those first few seasons. I’d say Welsby picks a pass better than early Sam Tomkins (but Tomkins has developed ten fold on that due to losing that pace) but he’s well behind in terms of individual threat. Realistically I think Tomkins started at 6 but made the right move to go in to 1, whereas I think Welsby should go the other way. We’d then probably compare him more to guys like Williams, Lomax or actually a comparison to a modern day Sam Tomkins would be more apt. He is now a quicker version of the Sam Tomkins we see playing today.

I don’t disagree with any of that.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sun Aug 06, 2023 5:39 pm  

On Welsby that’s another match winning try today. He’s clearly listening to Wellens who has encouraged him to run more. He’s a big strong lad who’s hard to put down.

Hopoate now injured again to add to Hurrell and the others. Big win today under the circumstances, we were excellent second half after an awful first half.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sun Aug 06, 2023 5:53 pm  

Stu M wrote:

On Welsby that’s another match winning try today. He’s clearly listening to Wellens who has encouraged him to run more. He’s a big strong lad who’s hard to put down.

Hopoate now injured again to add to Hurrell and the others. Big win today under the circumstances, we were excellent second half after an awful first half.

What's your take on the referee Stu?
Paul Rowley has had a real moan, called him a disgrace. I've seen the tries after the Leeds v Leigh game and the Lees one looks very very debatable>

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sun Aug 06, 2023 5:55 pm  

Stu M wrote:

On Welsby that’s another match winning try today. He’s clearly listening to Wellens who has encouraged him to run more. He’s a big strong lad who’s hard to put down.

Hopoate now injured again to add to Hurrell and the others. Big win today under the circumstances, we were excellent second half after an awful first half.

One thing I admire about the Saints players, is that when a couple of injuries occur, lads who have been off their best step up. We saw it with Lees at the back end of last season, when Walmsley was out and after Walmsley and Passi were ruled out a couple of weeks back and things looked tricky, Welsby seems to have woke up big time. He’s needed to, because it’s been a couple of scrappy wins and without him, they’d have been 2 defeats but it shows a really strong mentality throughout the squad.