Re: Fans forum - Tuesday 31 August : Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:21 pm  

Jukesays wrote:

IL and Rads explained right at the beginning why it was a blackout so to speak.

That's question 1, why they felt the need to exclude or keep loads of people in the dark.

Glad to hear it was a good night tho. It's just mega frustrating, that the club are happy to keep others guessing or waiting.

I'll wait to see what the reasoning was, but I doubt it's worth angering plenty of fans.

Re: Fans forum - Tuesday 31 August : Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:24 pm  

Jukesays wrote:

IL and Rads explained right at the beginning why it was a blackout so to speak.

It was very very interesting and if icould have asked 100 questions I think the presentatiin that they did for about an hour that was broken down into 5 sections and was very very informative answered 95 of them

It is true there were a couple of stupid questions, and knowing the guy personally that everyone will talk about all ill say is he got 5mins, it didnt massively detract from the evening (although I accept it is wasted time).

The lad who I went with and myself said that we thought the club went over and above in a lot of their statements and explanation tonight.

Having some tea now
If people want to ask questions ill do my best to answer later
And give a brief summary

Overall imo I would say it was a very good, transparent and informative event

Thanks Mate

What was the reasons for the ‘blackout’?
A summary of the salient points would be most welcome

Re: Fans forum - Tuesday 31 August : Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:28 pm  

Jukesays wrote:

IL and Rads explained right at the beginning why it was a blackout so to speak.

It was very very interesting and if icould have asked 100 questions I think the presentatiin that they did for about an hour that was broken down into 5 sections and was very very informative answered 95 of them

It is true there were a couple of stupid questions, and knowing the guy personally that everyone will talk about all ill say is he got 5mins, it didnt massively detract from the evening (although I accept it is wasted time).

The lad who I went with and myself said that we thought the club went over and above in a lot of their statements and explanation tonight.

Having some tea now
If people want to ask questions ill do my best to answer later
And give a brief summary

Overall imo I would say it was a very good, transparent and informative event

Always good to hear from someone who was actually there.

Re: Fans forum - Tuesday 31 August : Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:31 pm  

windy wrote:

Thanks Mate

What was the reasons for the ‘blackout’?
A summary of the salient points would be most welcome

Just seen on Twitter that the club has asked people in attendance not to mention why there's been a blackout.

Cloak and dagger stuff and we get everyone's favourite journalist to break the news to us peasants tomorrow.

Re: Fans forum - Tuesday 31 August : Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:37 pm  

Jukesays wrote:

IL and Rads explained right at the beginning why it was a blackout so to speak.

It was very very interesting and if icould have asked 100 questions I think the presentatiin that they did for about an hour that was broken down into 5 sections and was very very informative answered 95 of them

It is true there were a couple of stupid questions, and knowing the guy personally that everyone will talk about all ill say is he got 5mins, it didnt massively detract from the evening (although I accept it is wasted time).

The lad who I went with and myself said that we thought the club went over and above in a lot of their statements and explanation tonight.

Having some tea now
If people want to ask questions ill do my best to answer later
And give a brief summary

Overall imo I would say it was a very good, transparent and informative event

1. What is happening with the stadium lease/Latics rebranding it etc?
2. When will we address the goal-kicking issue?
3. Why bring Mike Danson in? Why didn’t he fund the Wigan Sporting Plan of 2020?
4. How did George Burgess pass a medical?
5. What is the plan to build crowds?
6. What further plans are there to bring in additional revenue?
7. Why is the retail set up so poor (less choice than other Hummel teams, no permanent shop)?
8. Why does our social media team ignore 99% of genuine queries in 2021 digital world?
9. Are the club targeting a world class replacement for J Hastings?
10. What is happening with Orrell?
11. Have our main sponsor gone bust? Have we secured a new one for 2022?
12. Why didn’t the club stream this event?
13. Is he happy with the culture at the club?

I think that will cover most of what people want to know. Also why do the club. Ot want us to be told why there has been a blackout?

Re: Fans forum - Tuesday 31 August : Tue Aug 31, 2021 8:55 pm  

My mate was texting me throughout the evening. Transcript of the texts below:

Forum was interesting learned a lot..headlines...Zak is commuting from Yorkshire house and not liking it wife wants to live over there etc..Reading between lines rads is vexed off cos he put tons of work in this rehabilitation etc..on the move I reckon

GB treated us really well could of taken us to cleaners financially..but did the right thing..his hip was caused by us..he arrived really over weight so we worked him to get him fit and bust his hip..not sure I buy it

Edwards is a liar and used us to get more money in France..rads is still seething and looked angry when topic was discussed

Guess who makes the decisions on which players we buy?

Ian is one half of the brains trust..rads is the other..really amazed..even wane never chose who we bought..
Also we don't allow any coach to bring there own backroom staff ever..and never will...it costs a fortune cos you've got to sack em all if things got tits up

We (ian and rads) believe party smithies havard Byrne KPP are 'the cornerstone of our pack' for years to come
That's what they said

Lam is walking cos they agreed ..his coaching skills have been mickey poor..he actually nearly said that at one point

Did they say weve got no money?

Not exactly no..were under cap by 140k because gb went cheap...Next year we've got money for top half back and 75k left after that...Thornley confirmed he's coming

Back room coach..peet, or uk based coach mcdermott etc..or aussie no2.. all options

Yes gw was offered the highest contract EVER offered to a player by wigan
He rang rads
Rads said gw said hardest call of his career
Decided wire..new club fresh start
Wire offered..more money..official
IFL and rads both gutted
Cos he's only 75k on our cap
They're hoping jai can come good as a 6

They said young players all want min 100k now or there off...All.got agents and negotiate tough..they said its really hard balancing cost with let em go decision

IFL loves the club..he declared that..he spoke a lot about the lennigan family owning 75% of the club and that danson loves the club he's a private man who could take over if IFL get ill or dies etc..he said I'm getting on a bit

Re: Fans forum - Tuesday 31 August : Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:05 pm  

Suzy Banyon wrote:

My mate was texting me throughout the evening. Transcript of the texts below:

Forum was interesting learned a lot..headlines...Zak is commuting from Yorkshire house and not liking it wife wants to live over there etc..Reading between lines rads is vexed off cos he put tons of work in this rehabilitation etc..on the move I reckon

GB treated us really well could of taken us to cleaners financially..but did the right thing..his hip was caused by us..he arrived really over weight so we worked him to get him fit and bust his hip..not sure I buy it

Edwards is a liar and used us to get more money in France..rads is still seething and looked angry when topic was discussed

Guess who makes the decisions on which players we buy?

Ian is one half of the brains trust..rads is the other..really amazed..even wane never chose who we bought..
Also we don't allow any coach to bring there own backroom staff ever..and never will...it costs a fortune cos you've got to sack em all if things got tits up

We (ian and rads) believe party smithies havard Byrne KPP are 'the cornerstone of our pack' for years to come
That's what they said

Lam is walking cos they agreed ..his coaching skills have been mickey poor..he actually nearly said that at one point

Did they say weve got no money?

Not exactly no..were under cap by 140k because gb went cheap...Next year we've got money for top half back and 75k left after that...Thornley confirmed he's coming

Back room coach..peet, or uk based coach mcdermott etc..or aussie no2.. all options

Yes gw was offered the highest contract EVER offered to a player by wigan
He rang rads
Rads said gw said hardest call of his career
Decided wire..new club fresh start
Wire offered..more money..official
IFL and rads both gutted
Cos he's only 75k on our cap
They're hoping jai can come good as a 6

They said young players all want min 100k now or there off...All.got agents and negotiate tough..they said its really hard balancing cost with let em go decision

IFL loves the club..he declared that..he spoke a lot about the lennigan family owning 75% of the club and that danson loves the club he's a private man who could take over if IFL get ill or dies etc..he said I'm getting on a bit

Actually a very eventful one then.

Re: Fans forum - Tuesday 31 August : Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:23 pm  

Fail to see why any of that is being kept so hush?

Re: Fans forum - Tuesday 31 August : Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:32 pm  

Azul wrote:

Fail to see why any of that is being kept so hush?

I'm seeing a lot of condensing and smug posts from people that went, all unsurprisingly towing the club's line. Apparently, we aren't capable of disseminating information that's provided via media outlets and not directly from IL's/KR's mouth.

A real low point from IL & KR imo. Makes it look amateurish at best and endorses the opinion that making the rank and file fans wait for scraps of info is a suitable way to operate.

Regardless of 'if the club is in safe hands' or not, I'm done with both of them and their egos.

Re: Fans forum - Tuesday 31 August : Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:37 pm  

Suzy Banyon wrote:

My mate was texting me throughout the evening. Transcript of the texts below:

Forum was interesting learned a lot..headlines...Zak is commuting from Yorkshire house and not liking it wife wants to live over there etc..Reading between lines rads is vexed off cos he put tons of work in this rehabilitation etc..on the move I reckon

GB treated us really well could of taken us to cleaners financially..but did the right thing..his hip was caused by us..he arrived really over weight so we worked him to get him fit and bust his hip..not sure I buy it

Edwards is a liar and used us to get more money in France..rads is still seething and looked angry when topic was discussed

Guess who makes the decisions on which players we buy?

Ian is one half of the brains trust..rads is the other..really amazed..even wane never chose who we bought..
Also we don't allow any coach to bring there own backroom staff ever..and never will...it costs a fortune cos you've got to sack em all if things got tits up

We (ian and rads) believe party smithies havard Byrne KPP are 'the cornerstone of our pack' for years to come
That's what they said

Lam is walking cos they agreed ..his coaching skills have been mickey poor..he actually nearly said that at one point

Did they say weve got no money?

Not exactly no..were under cap by 140k because gb went cheap...Next year we've got money for top half back and 75k left after that...Thornley confirmed he's coming

Back room coach..peet, or uk based coach mcdermott etc..or aussie no2.. all options

Yes gw was offered the highest contract EVER offered to a player by wigan
He rang rads
Rads said gw said hardest call of his career
Decided wire..new club fresh start
Wire offered..more money..official
IFL and rads both gutted
Cos he's only 75k on our cap
They're hoping jai can come good as a 6

They said young players all want min 100k now or there off...All.got agents and negotiate tough..they said its really hard balancing cost with let em go decision

IFL loves the club..he declared that..he spoke a lot about the lennigan family owning 75% of the club and that danson loves the club he's a private man who could take over if IFL get ill or dies etc..he said I'm getting on a bit

If I'm honest I would say that's about 75% spot on, with the subjects you've mentioned, there are quite a few topics obviously that you haven't gone into because it was very very detailed

I would say that the 25% I'm saying isn't spot on, isn't because I think its wrong, just that I wouldn't say the context or sentiment of some of the stuff is correctly put.

For example

The IL and Rads dig (as I see it) over them being the ones who choose the players
It was far more complicated than that, and to be honest I agree with what they said.

They said they had the final say, they have people I the coahing set up who identify players, people who have input into the potential signings indie the coa hes and the head coach, but ultimately its those 2 that do the deal and sign off on it.

If I'm being honest, thats not mind blowing imo, in all sports now there are people who identity and complete deals on new players that aren't the Head coach, and the coach/manager has Input into it.

And he never said that those young lads would be the corner stone, he said those players had a big future and would play a big part in the next few years at Wigan. The context was, do we not pay those young lads what they're worth and get rid of 4/5 youngsters so we could bring in 1 big name player

Rads actually asked the audience (and to be fair not one member of the audience answered back) do you think we're doing the right thing? Should we continue to promote youth as we have done over the last 13/14 years.
One member of audience actually said later we have the best youth development in the country.