Re: Attendances - Do we need to be worried? : Fri Aug 20, 2021 7:16 am  

warrior1872 wrote:

What really annoys me about a lot of Wigan fans recently is the continuous abuse of IFL,without this person putting in 500k a season we wouldn't even have a club to support,yes i can understand that supporters are frustrated with some of the signings but you have to cut your cloth accordingly,hopefully in the next 18-24 months we can recover as a club and as a sport

One thing I was annoyed about with my own reply was that I'd forget to reply to the "some of the more recent signings haven't been of the standard tmexpectrd of a top club like Wigan".

I appreciate there are some risk signings, there always has been, even when the gang of 4 were here.
Now obviously this is aimed at signings like :-
Mitch Clarke
Sammutt
Joe Bullock
Bibby

In fact, other than those 4 I'm not sure which other signings could be described as signings made in the name of cutting your cloth?
Bibby has been a pretty good signing for mine and 2 of the other 3 (Sammutt excluded and injury meant well never know how that would have gone on) just haven't really worked.
Joe Bullock being the most frustrating one whilst Mitch Clarke doesn't seem to be a player Lam wants to pick.
I would certainly say I would have hoped Lam would get more out of these 2 than he has, and ill always wonder what if they'd played for say a Wane.

So on reflection, is that really that bad?

And this is my point
In the same time frame IFL/Rads have brought in

Hardaker
Hastings
French
Burgess (ok, but he was top dollar so deffo not bargain basement shopping)
Field
Singleton (not sure which of the 2 groups to put him in, but he's a tried and tested SL player)
John Bateman

I'm not really sure how that is penny pinching etc certainly under the backdrop of Covid and certainly up until last year being the highest spending club on wages in the country.

Re: Attendances - Do we need to be worried? : Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:42 am  

It's not all about the signings that we have made It's also about player's that get released as well which saves money

Re: Attendances - Do we need to be worried? : Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:11 am  

NSW wrote:

What kind of crowd we expecting Friday ?

Saints and Wigan both losing last week would potential knock 1000 or so off the figure.

15,000+ ?

South stand sold out.

15,000 already sold (must include travelling saints fans), hopefully a good walk up with decent weather today.

Re: Attendances - Do we need to be worried? : Fri Aug 20, 2021 10:48 am  

NSW wrote:

South stand sold out.

15,000 already sold (must include travelling saints fans), hopefully a good walk up with decent weather today.

When i spoke to the ticket office yesterday Stains had sold 3000 tickets

Re: Attendances - Do we need to be worried? : Fri Aug 20, 2021 11:29 am  

Looks a pretty pleasing crowd expected all things considered. This later season game is never anything like a sell out, so it shouldn’t be too far down on what we’d usually expect.

Re: Attendances - Do we need to be worried? : Fri Aug 20, 2021 11:58 am  

warrior1872 wrote:

It's not all about the signings that we have made It's also about player's that get released as well which saves money

Oh yeah, didn't think of that
I mean no one comes in as per above new signings to replace thise players do they?

Not sure what you mean?
Yes players leave, yes players come in

Up until end of 2019 we paid the highest gross money out in the league on wages, how is that penny pinching? (I can't comment about 2020, but with the signings of Hastings and Burgess ill guess we were still near the top of the pile).

Re: Attendances - Do we need to be worried? : Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:02 pm  

Jukesays wrote:

Oh yeah, didn't think of that
I mean no one comes in as per above new signings to replace thise players do they?

Not sure what you mean?
Yes players leave, yes players come in

Up until end of 2019 we paid the highest gross money out in the league on wages, how is that penny pinching? (I can't comment about 2020, but with the signings of Hastings and Burgess ill guess we were still near the top of the pile).

Fair points.

I'll admit that I've been very critical of IL as of late. I know something is wrong, but if you asked me what, I'd be somewhat stumped. Maybe it would be a mixture of issues, some of which contradict eachother i.e I can't say penny pinching as he signed Hastings and Bateman, but he's also not invested in the front row.

I'd probably summed it up as this - IL and KR have been slightly negligent in the way they've pulled together the 1st team squad & coaching staff. It seems like mates looking after mates, when we needed to be a bit tougher.

Re: Attendances - Do we need to be worried? : Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:25 pm  

The spend hasn’t been off but the recruitment and retention has been. If we’ve spent the most in the league for the last two and a half years, than clearly we haven’t had value for money. It’s a tough job signing players, especially when you’re replacing some top class talent but we’ve certainly fell short.

Re: Attendances - Do we need to be worried? : Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:45 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

The spend hasn’t been off but the recruitment and retention has been. If we’ve spent the most in the league for the last two and a half years, than clearly we haven’t had value for money. It’s a tough job signing players, especially when you’re replacing some top class talent but we’ve certainly fell short.

I did say 2019
No idea about 2020/21, but as I said earlier we've brought in decent to good quality in French/Hastings/Bibby and Burgess (obviously other issues there).

Re: Attendances - Do we need to be worried? : Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:55 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

Fair points.

I'll admit that I've been very critical of IL as of late. I know something is wrong, but if you asked me what, I'd be somewhat stumped. Maybe it would be a mixture of issues, some of which contradict eachother i.e I can't say penny pinching as he signed Hastings and Bateman, but he's also not invested in the front row.

I'd probably summed it up as this - IL and KR have been slightly negligent in the way they've pulled together the 1st team squad & coaching staff. It seems like mates looking after mates, when we needed to be a bit tougher.

I think in what is a very complicated situation thats as close to my feelings that I've seen/read.

I do have some/quite a bit of info relating to off the field issues and it can't be underestimated what effect the Latics situation as also had on our fortunes.
I can't go into a lot of it, but IL spent A LOT of time and effort in this area for about 10 months and I'm not 100% sure its been the best outcome for us (not saying the new guys are doing anything wrong BTW, just that the cards fell a certain way and if they'd fell differently it may have worked out better for us).

However

I do see more issues in the last 2/3 years than I have in the previous 10

A bit like you I can't quite put my finger on it, he seems to want to stay in control, however the decision making doesn't seem to back that up.
Hes spent money in some areas but neglected in others
Hes obviously backing the club with his own money, but seems to be throwing it away with some of the decisions made.

I'm all for new investment, as log as we don't discard people who have played a great part in our success if they do want to still be involved etc.

I just thi k people being critical and picking out negatives continously is a disgrace especially when we have no idea if there is anyone out there who would step into ILs shoes etc.
How many people with 100m and willing to underwrite possibly 1to2m pound of loss per year are actually out there?