Re: Hull FC (h) : Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:26 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

Interesting game this. Hull will be upbeat after the derby win and I think I read that no team has got within 12 points of Saints this year then gone on to win their next game.

I think this is the week that changes though!

I’ve gone with Hudds +12 and Hull +16 on the coupon. That game last week for Wigan and Saints was pretty intense and I could see a come down this week.

Re: Hull FC (h) : Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:30 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

I’ve gone with Hudds +12 and Hull +16 on the coupon. That game last week for Wigan and Saints was pretty intense and I could see a come down this week.

Didn’t realise Hudds were +12. That’s printing money.

We haven’t got a goal kicker for a start

I think Wigan will win quite easily. Woolf was very complimentary about Wigan today in his presser.

Re: Hull FC (h) : Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:36 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

Cust was absolutely jiggered for that last try. It was a mistake to throw him in for the 80 in that type of game IMO. Still I’d play him on Friday and put Brad O’Neill on the bench. Halsall and KPP centres for me, with Isa in the second row and a debit for Nsemba from the bench.

Field
French Halsall Pearce-Paul Marshall
Cust Smith
Ellis Powell Byrne
Isa Farrell Smithies

Subs
Havard Mago Nsemba O’Neill

Poor performances from Shorrocks and Bibby should cost them IMO. I’d rather give Nsemba a shot then play Partington for 5-10 minutes again. Only player I really feel for is Miski, who hasn’t put a foot wrong recently.

I'm shocked Nsemba is in, when I saw him on Saturday I thought he would run riot, but was really poor, got dominated by alot smaller players and thought a few of your other forwards were better, looked to be all about his size with little skill so would struggle against players the same size. I know that's only one game though.

Don't think it will matter too much, expect a comfy Wigan win, our defence isn't good enough to contain you, think we will target the Cas game the weekend after.

Re: Hull FC (h) : Wed Jul 13, 2022 6:40 pm  

Dave K. wrote:

I'm shocked Nsemba is in, when I saw him on Saturday I thought he would run riot, but was really poor, got dominated by alot smaller players and thought a few of your other forwards were better, looked to be all about his size with little skill so would struggle against players the same size. I know that's only one game though.

Don't think it will matter too much, expect a comfy Wigan win, our defence isn't good enough to contain you, think we will target the Cas game the weekend after.

I didn’t see any of Saturdays game but I’ve been impressed with him in the past. He was excellent for us in pre season and he has been pretty dominant when I’ve seen him in academy/reserve games. Maybe it was an off day or he could just be off form. Who knows and I doubt he’ll play in fairness. It’s such a shame Matty Nicholson has gone because he could well have got some chances here now.

Re: Hull FC (h) : Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:17 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

I’ve gone with Hudds +12 and Hull +16 on the coupon. That game last week for Wigan and Saints was pretty intense and I could see a come down this week.

Added to which saints had to back up after brutal conditions at Catalans for the Wigan game so this is playing all the top three in difficult conditions back to back.

Reckon that’s a good bet chap.

Re: Hull FC (h) : Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:58 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

Added to which saints had to back up after brutal conditions at Catalans for the Wigan game so this is playing all the top three in difficult conditions back to back.

Reckon that’s a good bet chap.

Still an easier run that the Challenge Cup Winners have had.
A tough trip to London for yet another cup win and weeks without a home tie.

Re: Hull FC (h) : Thu Jul 14, 2022 7:38 am  

Stu M wrote:

Didn’t realise Hudds were +12. That’s printing money.

We haven’t got a goal kicker for a start

I think Wigan will win quite easily. Woolf was very complimentary about Wigan today in his presser.

So he should be,best derby of them all.we pushed you all the way as Saints pushed Wigan all the way in the semi but just fell short.

Still cant see past Wigan v Saints final unless someone comes up to the same intensity as our game,but you never know.

Re: Hull FC (h) : Thu Jul 14, 2022 9:05 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

Cust was absolutely jiggered for that last try. It was a mistake to throw him in for the 80 in that type of game IMO. Still I’d play him on Friday and put Brad O’Neill on the bench. Halsall and KPP centres for me, with Isa in the second row and a debit for Nsemba from the bench.

Field
French Halsall Pearce-Paul Marshall
Cust Smith
Ellis Powell Byrne
Isa Farrell Smithies

Subs
Havard Mago Nsemba O’Neill

Poor performances from Shorrocks and Bibby should cost them IMO. I’d rather give Nsemba a shot then play Partington for 5-10 minutes again. Only player I really feel for is Miski, who hasn’t put a foot wrong recently.

With regards to Bibby, are there any specific reasons you say he had a bad performance on Saturday?
There is a reason I ask, and all round I would say he was no more than average at best, but a few people picked out 1 specific reason for slating him last week and I wondered if you had the same view?
Not giving any clue here

Re: Hull FC (h) : Thu Jul 14, 2022 9:23 am  

Jukesays wrote:

With regards to Bibby, are there any specific reasons you say he had a bad performance on Saturday?
There is a reason I ask, and all round I would say he was no more than average at best, but a few people picked out 1 specific reason for slating him last week and I wondered if you had the same view?
Not giving any clue here

Poor might be pushing it thinking back. I thought he panicked on that last try and dashed in and that’s stuck in my mind probably. I’ve seen him play far better and be a lot busier in games. I like Bibby to be fair and have stuck up for him in the past. I’d say average was about right. I wanted him back in for Saturday and didn’t understand people’s teams with him not in there but I’d also like to look at Halsall and would give him a shot this week and KPP would be locked in to the other spot for the rest of the season for me. He needs a run of games there to get ready for the big games down the track.

Re: Hull FC (h) : Thu Jul 14, 2022 9:52 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

Poor might be pushing it thinking back. I thought he panicked on that last try and dashed in and that’s stuck in my mind probably. I’ve seen him play far better and be a lot busier in games. I like Bibby to be fair and have stuck up for him in the past. I’d say average was about right. I wanted him back in for Saturday and didn’t understand people’s teams with him not in there but I’d also like to look at Halsall and would give him a shot this week and KPP would be locked in to the other spot for the rest of the season for me. He needs a run of games there to get ready for the big games down the track.

That's what I thought you'd say, and it wasn't a trick question.

The problem I have with it is that there are a number of observations I have with that situation before I even talk about Bibbys decision making.
We number up wrong on the blind, they have 2 players short side and we have 3 (you could argue 4 as Bateman is directly behind the ptb and Smith IMO is hiding a bit).
Being 1 man down and numbering up that way we're already 2 maybe 3 players short in the line.
I think Faz pushes up a bit and him and Partington seem to number up 2 on one which again leaves space,( it's more complicated than that as I think Partington is too passive, if he pushes up then I trust Smithies and Bateman inside to deal with inside runner).

Anyway, this is my big issue

After that ball Bibby finds himself 4 on 1, not just because of what's happened inside.
The comments made to me about Bibby rushing in, I counter with Where the hell is Marshall outside?

Hes 20 to 25mtrs behind the defensive line on the 3rd tackle !!!
It's likenhes playing full back, but Field is in the perfect FB spot, so what's he doing?

If Bibby doesn't rush in there's a 3 on zero outside him (I do agree rushing in May not be great), but where the hell is Marshall and why is he 25mtrs back on the 3rd, 20mtrs in field?

Also
Marshall was all over the place on the first Batchelor try.
Although I can just forgive him when they come short side and he comes in off his wing to suppprt Bibby (a bit Bibby esque) and gets beat outside by Bennison. He gets back after a Bibby tackle and they pin bennison 2ft from the touchline.
As he plays the ball Welsby is 1st receiver 11mtrs in from touch and Marshall goes walkabout chasing after Welsby inside and gets picked off and stranded without laying a finger on him. Bibby is also in trouble as he can see 2 runners back outside and he's practically 4 on 1.
Welsby turns back outside and we have a 3 on 1 to defend 7mtrs from touch

What's Marshall doing?

He reminded me of the younger Kid in the playgorund Marshall of 4/5 years ago on Saturday. Running around trying to solve problems that didn't exist instead of doing his job.

Anyway, probably over analysing and all with a backdrop of the players all being knackered due to the defensive efforts.
But I just think Bibby was unfairly singled out on that last play.

At the PTB he's exactly where I'd want him to be, Marshall on the other hand is miles away.