Re: Fans Forum : Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:44 pm  

MadDogg wrote:

No he said there's a difference between saying 'we played terrible' and 'we are terrible'.

Ahhhh... with you. Didn't pick up on that.

Re: Fans Forum : Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:55 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

I think it can be watched back on Wigan TV if you have it mate. There wasn’t too many juicy bits really but from the top of my head-

-Matt Peet and the club are far from happy with the ban Ellis got and even more so that Dezaria got less. Peet said a member of the RFL disciplinary panel also thought the Ellis ban was OTT. We have a week to decide what to do on it, so I presume that means whether to appeal or not.

-Ellis himself extremely remorseful for the brain snap and has put himself up to do lots of community work over these next few weeks.

-We’ll take up a one year option for 2023 on KPP. I didn’t take that as particularly good news, as I’d rather hear he’s signing a new long term deal.

-Field will stay at fullback when French is back. French will be eased in from the bench and play on the wing. More interestingly Peet said they may then look at Field and French rotating between 6 and 1. The interesting part of that to me is that may mean Cust plays some minutes at 9 (although they didn’t mention that would be the case).

-Expect to lose 700k this year. Season tickets up on last year but down on pre pandemic levels.

-MD of our new sponsor flew from Boston to be at Catalans at the weekend and will be there tomorrow.

-long term deal to continue at the DW all in place and with the lawyers. It’s a good deal for all parties Lenagan says.

-The France trip wasn’t a jolly and Lenagan not happy people described it as such. They think plenty of good will come from it over the course of the season.

-Some guy wants the club to use Michael Flattley as an inspiration, with him having agreed to donate proceeds of his new Riverdance tour to Ukrainian refugees and organise a charity match with other local clubs at St Pats (dreaming big there).

There were some other bits and bobs that have slipped my mind.

Good summary.

A number of new staff brought in, mainly women. We now have a new head of marketing 'Michelle' (was actually at the back of the room helping serve the brews tonight).

More events planned at Robin Park during the season, especially outside on the running track and pitch area.

Tributes to Inga and David Stephenson, stated there will be recognition of both on the walls of the arena in the coming weeks.

Mary Sharkey to retire after 30+ years at the club, will be honoured at tomorrow's game.

Progression of apprenticeships going forward, rugby and non rugby related. Going very well and the club currently have a couple of hundred signed up, club hopes for this to increase to 400-500 in a couple of years, this brings in significant revenue as well as promotes the club within the community.

Re: Fans Forum : Thu Mar 17, 2022 6:23 am  

Sounds like a positive night all around, look forward to watching it for myself on wigan tv at the weekend.

Must be said, what a breath of fresh air it has been having the club be so much more open and engaging with the fanbase this season! Much improved by the club on this front and long may it continue.

Re: Fans Forum : Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:18 pm  

Whilst it looks like the club is moving in the right direction & there is a lot more positivity around the club, why did it take Matty Peet becoming head coach and potentially Shaun Wane to be back in the fold?

Are IL and KR deluded? Do they not know what's going on? Are they focused elsewhere?

This isn't an IL/KR bashing, I just don't understand why things have only just come to light and we are making progress?

Re: Fans Forum : Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:25 pm  

nathan_rugby wrote:

Whilst it looks like the club is moving in the right direction & there is a lot more positivity around the club, why did it take Matty Peet becoming head coach and potentially Shaun Wane to be back in the fold?

Are IL and KR deluded? Do they not know what's going on? Are they focused elsewhere?

This isn't an IL/KR bashing, I just don't understand why things have only just come to light and we are making progress?

I posted something similar in another thread. It's like, oops we've messed up and now it's going to take another 3 years to fix it.

I'd have loved to know more about what they've really learned from the last 3 years. The obvious one is, a bad coach can do a hell of a lot of damage. The one I'm not sure that's fully sunk in is - we need a variety of players and not workhorse 5ft 11 guys. Will they do what needs to be done when Singleton, Partington, Isa & others are OOC?

Re: Fans Forum : Thu Mar 17, 2022 2:11 pm  

sergeant pepper wrote:

I posted something similar in another thread. It's like, oops we've messed up and now it's going to take another 3 years to fix it.

I'd have loved to know more about what they've really learned from the last 3 years. The obvious one is, a bad coach can do a hell of a lot of damage. The one I'm not sure that's fully sunk in is - we need a variety of players and not workhorse 5ft 11 guys. Will they do what needs to be done when Singleton, Partington, Isa & others are OOC?

Go and ask the question next time - there's another one in 8 weeks.

I don't think they believe that they've messed up and I wouldn't say that myself either. They've made some good decisions (KPP, Hastings, Bibby, French, Field) and couldn't have forseen the issues the latter two have had personally and with injury. Cust, Ellis and Mago look promising although the jury's still out there. ST sales and attendances are starting to rise slightly after the pandemic which is good news. The retail and merchandise side has been a massive improvement, they look to have secured a good sponsor in Open Exchange and bringing in Mike Danson plus the new deal with stadium helps to secure the club's future. Not all bad.

There's been some poor decisions as well and IL probably phrased it as you would expect ('they don't get everything right'). I think most would agree they appointed the wrong man as head coach in Lam and you could argue that they should have let him go at the end of 2019 as we were performing poorly in spite of the final league position. But they gave him another go with new signings (maybe they had no choice because of the Shaun Edwards situation) and would have looked ridiculous if they'd sacked him at the end of 2020 with a trophy and GF appearance. I think almost everyone on this forum acknowledged that Lam had earned another year on the back of that despite the underlying sense that he may not be the right man.

I agree with you on the players you mention - I think they were all poor decisions. I said that we should have let Isa go before they renewed his deal but not many on here agreed - my rationale was that we have plenty of young backrowers who could do the job he does. Singleton has been a poor signing for me which was perhaps made with more of a focus on the short-term than the long. Partington just isn't big enough and doesn't have a clear position in which he can be effective - I've thought that since he made his debut but we gave him a long-term contract.

The main two priorities for me should be to continue to place a focus on increasing the size, power and explosiveness of our team (compare us to Saints in this area and it sometimes looks like we're running in quicksand) and to assess whether there is anything more we can do to improve the top end quality of our academy players. We haven't had an academy player go on to become a full international since Oliver Gildart. Saints have several who are on that path - combine them with previous academy products turned internationals who have spent their full career at the club and its no surprise that they're out in front at the moment.

Re: Fans Forum : Thu Mar 17, 2022 2:12 pm  

nathan_rugby wrote:

Whilst it looks like the club is moving in the right direction & there is a lot more positivity around the club, why did it take Matty Peet becoming head coach and potentially Shaun Wane to be back in the fold?

Are IL and KR deluded? Do they not know what's going on? Are they focused elsewhere?

This isn't an IL/KR bashing, I just don't understand why things have only just come to light and we are making progress?

Think just coaching wise they may have viewed it as -

2019 - Not ideal but lams first year and lost loads of players from 2018, give him another year and see how it goes

2020 - weird covid year, LLS, 2 mins of a GF win

2021 - wheels came off so they got rid.

Re: Fans Forum : Thu Mar 17, 2022 2:52 pm  

NSW wrote:

Think just coaching wise they may have viewed it as -

2019 - Not ideal but lams first year and lost loads of players from 2018, give him another year and see how it goes

2020 - weird covid year, LLS, 2 mins of a GF win

2021 - wheels came off so they got rid.

I think that more accurately sums it up than "are IL and KR deluded?"

I'll never understand these Wigan fans - especially the ones who "aren't bashing IL and KR" (honest!) - who can never seem to resist having a personal dig at the club's brass.

I mean, seriously. Where else do people think that someone like KR in particular, might be focussed?

AL took the coaching reins in the midst of chaos: the Edwards betrayal followed by COVID. And he still got us to a final. On that basis, how much of an 'obvious mistake' was it to award him an extension?

How much foresight did IL and KR genuinely lack to not anticipate the collapse of AL's team last year? No one else I know saw it coming, either.

Re: Fans Forum : Thu Mar 17, 2022 3:17 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

Love the tone of it so far. Very much a case of we want to win something this season but with a realistic view that it’ll take time to build something that brings sustainable success.

I think that is a fair comment but I would have liked to hear how they are going to achieve it and how long they anticipate it will take. We have had the best academy for the last decade so one can only think that we intend to improve our recruitment, off field facilities and backroom staff. However, if we are to succeed then we will need to tie our good young players down on long-term deals (invoking the extra year on KPP's contract will not suffice), we will have to be more ruthless with playing contracts for those approaching their twilight years and we will definitely need to recruit quality overseas players in positions that we are lacking (five of our seven non-federation players have a contract for 2023 with only French and Field off contract - arguably our best players - so there is not a lot of room for improvement there).

Personally, I don't think we are a million miles off reaching the pinnacle in SL. We have the nucleus of a very good team but we need to be ruthless and release players who are not up to standard. There will be some decent SL players coming off contract at the end of this season but we need room on the salary cap to accommodate them.

Re: Fans Forum : Thu Mar 17, 2022 3:25 pm  

MadDogg wrote:

Go and ask the question next time - there's another one in 8 weeks.

I don't think they believe that they've messed up and I wouldn't say that myself either. They've made some good decisions (KPP, Hastings, Bibby, French, Field) and couldn't have forseen the issues the latter two have had personally and with injury. Cust, Ellis and Mago look promising although the jury's still out there. ST sales and attendances are starting to rise slightly after the pandemic which is good news. The retail and merchandise side has been a massive improvement, they look to have secured a good sponsor in Open Exchange and bringing in Mike Danson plus the new deal with stadium helps to secure the club's future. Not all bad.

There's been some poor decisions as well and IL probably phrased it as you would expect ('they don't get everything right'). I think most would agree they appointed the wrong man as head coach in Lam and you could argue that they should have let him go at the end of 2019 as we were performing poorly in spite of the final league position. But they gave him another go with new signings (maybe they had no choice because of the Shaun Edwards situation) and would have looked ridiculous if they'd sacked him at the end of 2020 with a trophy and GF appearance. I think almost everyone on this forum acknowledged that Lam had earned another year on the back of that despite the underlying sense that he may not be the right man.

I agree with you on the players you mention - I think they were all poor decisions. I said that we should have let Isa go before they renewed his deal but not many on here agreed - my rationale was that we have plenty of young backrowers who could do the job he does. Singleton has been a poor signing for me which was perhaps made with more of a focus on the short-term than the long. Partington just isn't big enough and doesn't have a clear position in which he can be effective - I've thought that since he made his debut but we gave him a long-term contract.

The main two priorities for me should be to continue to place a focus on increasing the size, power and explosiveness of our team (compare us to Saints in this area and it sometimes looks like we're running in quicksand) and to assess whether there is anything more we can do to improve the top end quality of our academy players. We haven't had an academy player go on to become a full international since Oliver Gildart. Saints have several who are on that path - combine them with previous academy products turned internationals who have spent their full career at the club and its no surprise that they're out in front at the moment.

I actually had a ticket for last night, but circumstances changed and a 6pm start just wasn't doable.

I understand why, but I doubt I'd get a to the point answer anyway. He's not going to say "yeah Partington isn't big enough and Singleton has been a let down". It's more looking for an understanding of why we like certain types (i.e size, or age) than others. Catalan have come from nowhere really and it's all based off seeing good players McMeeken, Tomkins, Maloney Mcilorum & getting them in. We've done that previously under IL with Gleeson, Finch, Carmont, Lima, but have moved away from it?

Undoubtedly they've done some good thing too btw. I'm a big believer in Peet and have been from the beginning. I do however think it's fair to say that they've either messed up, or something's haven't gone right.

It might not have been popular, but I'd have preferred us not to re-sign French when we did. Nothing against the lad & he's a joy to watch but the side needed a prop. Lam aside, our front row is what let us down last year. I remember a Saints fan coming on here about 12 months ago and saying we were a prop short of challenging. We re-signed a FB tho when we had Field and Zak in the squad.