I think he has been the form prop since the salford game, not disappointed at all with his performances of late.

I do agree that coaching has a lot to do with the performances, but not just

him , all the team . A new coach would possible bring the best out of them.

This is a key point.



There are plenty of good players at Wigan. Most of the first team would get into any other first team in the competition.



There are two questions here: Why do good players become average players when they're at Wigan? And why do average players at Wigan become good players when they go somewhere else?



Two questions - and one answer.

Calvert played for Wigan.

Yet still, that isn't very good.



As usual we over-bill our form players, and he's played a lot better of late yet he cannot resist stopping before he hits the line, running sideways and knocking on.



Surely coaching the first two out of him would make him a far better player?

Didn't know that.



Was he on trial at some point?

He's had trials at both Wigan and Warrington, in the U21s.

Right.



I'm suprsied nobody from superleague has ever taken him on especially when you consider teams like Salford and Celtic have come up and have been scratching around for players.



He's always been rapid when i've seen him but maybe he's got too many flaws.

IL if your watching Souths v Brisbane please sign DAVID TYRRELL





Only played 2 first grade games for souths and both times i've been very impressed with him. Deffo a real star of the future

You make the point that Saints and Wire would use him as a 4th choice prop and would like to seem him used in that way I would agree but he would not be used as a 4th choice prop would he? He would be a first choice prop because the standards at Wigan are that low. I agree other players deserve to leave before Coley but their contracts are not out yet are they? We can only deal with things as they come and have the opportunity to strengthen our forward pack by releasing Coley and Bailey and bringing in players who will improve the squad.



We can sign Coley and Bailey for another year all we want but we will only see the same pack get smacked across the park by other teams and players like Tronc going to Wakefield.

Position?

Second row/prop

He will do get him signed!

THE COWBOYS are preparing to make Johnathan Thurston an offer that will make the Maroons halfback the richest player in the game. Sport Confidential has been told North Queensland are prepared to offer Thurston a staggering $700,000 a year, a deal which should stop the player rated as the best in the game from returning to the Bulldogs. Cowboys CEO Peter Parr has been scouring North Queensland for third-party sponsors and has all but secured the deal that will be offered to Thurston during the off-season. "I am pretty confident we'll come up with a deal that will be very hard to match," Parr said. www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 5751177427

THE COWBOYS are preparing to make Johnathan Thurston an offer that will make the Maroons halfback the richest player in the game. Sport Confidential has been told North Queensland are prepared to offer Thurston a staggering $700,000 a year, a deal which should stop the player rated as the best in the game from returning to the Bulldogs. Cowboys CEO Peter Parr has been scouring North Queensland for third-party sponsors and has all but secured the deal that will be offered to Thurston during the off-season. "I am pretty confident we'll come up with a deal that will be very hard to match," Parr said. www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 5751177427

Quote changa="changa"THE COWBOYS are preparing to make Johnathan Thurston an offer that will make the Maroons halfback the richest player in the game. Sport Confidential has been told North Queensland are prepared to offer Thurston a staggering $700,000 a year, a deal which should stop the player rated as the best in the game from returning to the Bulldogs. Cowboys CEO Peter Parr has been scouring North Queensland for third-party sponsors and has all but secured the deal that will be offered to Thurston during the off-season. "I am pretty confident we'll come up with a deal that will be very hard to match," Parr said. www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 5751177427'" thanks Fredie although we really didnt think we'd have a chance of signing him

Quote changa="changa"THE COWBOYS are preparing to make Johnathan Thurston an offer that will make the Maroons halfback the richest player in the game. Sport Confidential has been told North Queensland are prepared to offer Thurston a staggering $700,000 a year, a deal which should stop the player rated as the best in the game from returning to the Bulldogs. Cowboys CEO Peter Parr has been scouring North Queensland for third-party sponsors and has all but secured the deal that will be offered to Thurston during the off-season. "I am pretty confident we'll come up with a deal that will be very hard to match," Parr said. www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 5751177427'" thanks Fredie although we really didnt think we'd have a chance of signing him

[iIf[/i Coley continues to play at the level he has recently, then I think [iif[/i a wage can be agreed that suits both Wigan and Coley, we should keep him.



Reasons for this:



- he is settled at the club and will need no time to 'gel'



- his current performances are very strong and he doesn't require a quota spot



- he can provide adequate cover in the second row, which will mean we won't need to waste further money on another second rower, thereby restricting places for well performing youngsters



- a new coach should see us get the best out of him; yes he has his flaws, but I firmly believe these can be coach out of him



- as part of a properly assembled pack, there will be less demand on him and he can excel in the areas of his game that are strongest



Coley is not and never will be an exciting prop that will really get the crowd going like an enforcer or impact prop will. What he does provide however is solid defence and a willingness to take up the ball and make the hard yards in our own half of the pitch.



Obviously we'll still need another prop as well as retaining Coley, but if we can find an enforcer of the right quality, and Coley keeps up his strong performances this year, we should start to see a turn around in the pack.

Quote changa="changa"THE COWBOYS are preparing to make Johnathan Thurston an offer that will make the Maroons halfback the richest player in the game. Sport Confidential has been told North Queensland are prepared to offer Thurston a staggering $700,000 a year, a deal which should stop the player rated as the best in the game from returning to the Bulldogs. Cowboys CEO Peter Parr has been scouring North Queensland for third-party sponsors and has all but secured the deal that will be offered to Thurston during the off-season. "I am pretty confident we'll come up with a deal that will be very hard to match," Parr said. www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 5751177427'" So thats roughly £345,000 a year, no wonder superleague clubs couldn't match it with a £1.6 million salary cap, yes a brilliant player but not worth that when you have the restraints of the cap.

Quote changa="changa"THE COWBOYS are preparing to make Johnathan Thurston an offer that will make the Maroons halfback the richest player in the game. Sport Confidential has been told North Queensland are prepared to offer Thurston a staggering $700,000 a year, a deal which should stop the player rated as the best in the game from returning to the Bulldogs. Cowboys CEO Peter Parr has been scouring North Queensland for third-party sponsors and has all but secured the deal that will be offered to Thurston during the off-season. "I am pretty confident we'll come up with a deal that will be very hard to match," Parr said. www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 5751177427'" So thats roughly £345,000 a year, no wonder superleague clubs couldn't match it with a £1.6 million salary cap, yes a brilliant player but not worth that when you have the restraints of the cap.

problem i have with coley is that hes only come good in his last contract year. he was pretty average last year to be fair



given the above, if fielden is still here next year i bet he has a stormer and people will be clamoring to have him re-signed



however, if we cant sign a replacement who is at the same level, he should be kept

a little dicky bird told me Coley could be on his way to Barrow as they are paying big money to get them to Superleague!

How does that work with no promotion or relegation?

If you win stuff, you get a big tick. Hence all the fuss from Widnes for winning the NR Cup.

Barrow won't get into Super Duper League as their ground isn't good enough.

All Super League grounds have to be of the very highest standard and Barrow's just isn't up to the required level.

We play Bradford AT Odsal this Sunday don't we?

Unless you are an expansion club. Which is fine btw so don't hate me

just wish it was a bit closer.

Castleford, Wakey, Celtic, Bradford, Saints, Hull KR and Salford all teams in super league with quality stadia.

4 of which have stron development plans for new stadiums.

I've got a plan to shag the entire Sky Sports News female crew, but it doesn't necessarily mean its actually going to happen. However its more likely than some of that lot getting a new ground - plan or no plan.