: Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:27 pm  

No1 Saint wrote:

I really hope you said that because you hate saints and dont actually believe it. Graham is an outstanding young prop and yes he is aggressive.

Not all great props have to be snarling looneys though .. Fairleigh at Saints, O'Connor ,Civoneceva(SP), Perellini .. all had/have more controlled aggression (less visable). Morley is another top prop but his aggression in the past has gone way too far and cost his teams dearly (30 seconds sending off for GB for a start).

Graham runs it in hard but is trying to be an enforcer which he isn't, like when he ran twenty yards just to pull faces at Palea'aesina, if he was an aggressive player he would have stuck one on Palea'aesina.

By the way every forward in the superleague has to play with aggression, Graham is a good player in his own right but he isn't an aggressive player.

Fielden in his day was, Morley is, Lolesi off Huddersfield is, Korkidas is, Barrie McDermott was, Kelvin Skerrett was. Graham isn't.

: Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:34 pm  

post wrote:

Graham runs it in hard but is trying to be an enforcer which he isn't, like when he ran twenty yards just to pull faces at Palea'aesina, if he was an aggressive player he would have stuck one on Palea'aesina.

By the way every forward in the superleague has to play with aggression, Graham is a good player in his own right but he isn't an aggressive player.

Fielden in his day was, Morley is, Lolesi off Huddersfield is, Korkidas is, Barrie McDermott was, Kelvin Skerrett was. Graham isn't.

Your confusing aggression with a short fuse and in some cases a lack of brain cells. Modern players cant just go around smacking people like in the old days or they'd spends more time banned than playing. Some of the stuff players like Skerrett got away with would now result in massive bans (and Skerrett isnt even as rough as some of the proper old school props ala Jim Mills). Verbals are part of the game - running 20 yards to punch people is just stupidity these days.

: Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:38 pm  

Prescott is two years older and two years first team development ahead of O'Carroll although because of his injuries the two have played a similar amount of games. I think Prescott needs a good run in the side now injury free.

: Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:43 pm  

No1 Saint wrote:

Your confusing aggression with a short fuse and in some cases a lack of brain cells. Modern players cant just go around smacking people like in the old days or they'd spends more time banned than playing. Some of the stuff players like Skerrett got away with would now result in massive bans (and Skerrett isnt even as rough as some of the proper old school props ala Jim Mills). Verbals are part of the game - running 20 yards to punch people is just stupidity these days.

Why run twenty yards then? Why not just go quiet and walk away and then he next time Palea'aesina got the ball smash him and give him a bit of a verbal instead of running in an pulling faces and calling him names?

: Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:30 pm  

Prescott by a country bumkin.

Not keen on O Carroll, doesn't possess enough impact to be an impact prop, doesn't have the 60min fitness and is hardly an enforcer.

In the young props around SL I'd sooner have

-Sam Burgess
-Luke Burgess
-James Graham
-LMS

OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

: Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:32 pm  

Last Son of Wigan wrote:

Prescott by a country bumkin.

Not keen on O Carroll, doesn't possess enough impact to be an impact prop, doesn't have the 60min fitness and is hardly an enforcer.

In the young props around SL I'd sooner have

-Sam Burgess
-Luke Burgess
-James Graham
-LMS

OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

After them there is no other young props better than O'Carroll.

: Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:32 pm  

In this country. And there are many senior props who are alot better.

: Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:38 pm  

If a team is to be succesfull i do not think they can keep 2 developing Props happy, for this reason i doubt both will remain at Wigan but i do think both will have SL careers.

Personally i rate Prescott higher as he has the frame to make it on top of his talent, i think O'Carroll will always be an impact style prop but not a top class one in the mould of Feka for example and for this reason i do not see him being as valuable to Wigan as Prescott.

: Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:39 pm  

Prescott beter than O'Barrel for me, but as a previous post said I don't see why we shouldn't keep both.
Wouldn't be upset if we brought McCarthy Scarsbrook in though

: Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:40 pm  

Catalancs wrote:

Prescott beter than O'Barrel for me, but as a previous post said I don't see why we shouldn't keep both.
Wouldn't be upset if we brought McCarthy Scarsbrook in though

Neither would I , I made a point of watching him last night and he played well.