: Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:16 am  

Tony Catsmith wrote:

any grapple tackles or owt last night?

yeah a few went unnoticed

Re: Don't Panic : Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:20 am  

Buffalo wrote:

As Douglas Adams said. There's a lot of emotive reactions to tonight's game, but I'd just like to give my balanced view. I don't think it fits into any of the existing threads so nerr.

Ref: bloody awful. I thought they were trained that if the ball pops out of the completed tackle it's probably reefed. Not tonight. I was watching the pitch markings and he was retreating 12 not 10. Gave us nothing. Nothing. Amos's try looked perfectly good to me and I was looking down on it. We got nothing tonight. Nothing.

Us: I thought we were mostly good. Muscled well - Hudds' pack is huge and we sized up, made yards, drove them back, hit hard and showed the passion we've been after. Unfortunately we harked back to 2005/6 with suicidal penalties at times, can we not cut these out? Handling errors can be partly forgiven, it was very greasy tonight, but still frustrating. Our defence was solid, even when when some tackles were missed others scrambled well. They made how many breaks?
Going forward I thought we ran good angles, good dummy runners, overall we ran well and showed good hands. Hate to say it but Tomkins cost us two tries tonight - both 3-man overlaps on the right and he went himself. He's a talent but he has plenty to learn.

Hudds: Superb defence. We ran well but Hudds' defence was awesome. No gaps at all. They covered our every option which is why Sam's mistakes when we finally worked a couple of overlaps has cost us. Let's not pretend they're an automatic 2 points any more, this is a good strong side who will turn plenty over.

Overall, bitterly disappointed. The ref caned us but we couldn't turn possession into points - but credit to Hudds' defence for that. Good to see some passion as well.

A lot of truth in that post, can't comment on the refs decisions till I've seen more video evidence. Both defences were very good, they had to be at 8-10 with 6 mins to go.
Refereeing performances have gone downhill since Cummins took over and they won't get any better until Cummins makes them accountable for their decisions, but they do a very tough job which none of us would like to do, so we've just got to deal with it. All Cummins will say is "the ref didn't make you drop the ball, the ref didn't make you knock on etc etc".
Every team is going to get tough calls now and again but lets just get on with it and enjoy the game we love. See you all later, down at the "pharm" for round 2. Good luck till then.

: Sat Mar 28, 2009 8:23 am  

YICKER wrote:

yeah but all of them went unnoticed

Re: Don't Panic : Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:30 am  

Buffalo wrote:

As Douglas Adams said. There's a lot of emotive reactions to tonight's game, but I'd just like to give my balanced view. I don't think it fits into any of the existing threads so nerr.

Ref: bloody awful. I thought they were trained that if the ball pops out of the completed tackle it's probably reefed. Not tonight. I was watching the pitch markings and he was retreating 12 not 10. Gave us nothing. Nothing. Amos's try looked perfectly good to me and I was looking down on it. We got nothing tonight. Nothing.

Us: I thought we were mostly good. Muscled well - Hudds' pack is huge and we sized up, made yards, drove them back, hit hard and showed the passion we've been after. Unfortunately we harked back to 2005/6 with suicidal penalties at times, can we not cut these out? Handling errors can be partly forgiven, it was very greasy tonight, but still frustrating. Our defence was solid, even when when some tackles were missed others scrambled well. They made how many breaks?
Going forward I thought we ran good angles, good dummy runners, overall we ran well and showed good hands. Hate to say it but Tomkins cost us two tries tonight - both 3-man overlaps on the right and he went himself. He's a talent but he has plenty to learn.

Hudds: Superb defence. We ran well but Hudds' defence was awesome. No gaps at all. They covered our every option which is why Sam's mistakes when we finally worked a couple of overlaps has cost us. Let's not pretend they're an automatic 2 points any more, this is a good strong side who will turn plenty over.

Overall, bitterly disappointed. The ref caned us but we couldn't turn possession into points - but credit to Hudds' defence for that. Good to see some passion as well.

dont be daft! this isnt a good assement at all, we are dire, no passion, no urgency, cant even play basic rugby, a team playing like hudds we should have blown away last night, they did nothing special nothing more than 5 drives and a kick, and we couldnt handle it, you cant blame the ref, you play what is in front of u, no matter what, the fact our players and our coach dont have the ability to see that is the problem here. we where playing for penalites they whole game, why we are playing like a bunch of fooballers is beyond me. oh look im ranting again, the club is in dire straights, ive never seen a gulf between the fans and the club as big as it is now, we will still turn up because we are loyal, i have no idea how to fix this but somthing needs to be done before the club dies

Re: Don't Panic : Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:34 am  

truewiganer wrote:

dont be daft! this isnt a good assement at all, we are dire, no passion, no urgency, cant even play basic rugby, a team playing like hudds we should have blown away last night, they did nothing special nothing more than 5 drives and a kick, and we couldnt handle it, you cant blame the ref, you play what is in front of u, no matter what, the fact our players and our coach dont have the ability to see that is the problem here. we where playing for penalites they whole game, why we are playing like a bunch of fooballers is beyond me. oh look im ranting again, the club is in dire straights, ive never seen a gulf between the fans and the club as big as it is now, we will still turn up because we are loyal, i have no idea how to fix this but somthing needs to be done before the club dies

Well said mate

Not good enough simple as

: Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:42 am  

Buffalo wrote:

As Douglas Adams said. There's a lot of emotive reactions to tonight's game, but I'd just like to give my balanced view. I don't think it fits into any of the existing threads so nerr.

Ref: bloody awful. I thought they were trained that if the ball pops out of the completed tackle it's probably reefed. Not tonight. I was watching the pitch markings and he was retreating 12 not 10. Gave us nothing. Nothing. Amos's try looked perfectly good to me and I was looking down on it. We got nothing tonight. Nothing.

Us: I thought we were mostly good. Muscled well - Hudds' pack is huge and we sized up, made yards, drove them back, hit hard and showed the passion we've been after. Unfortunately we harked back to 2005/6 with suicidal penalties at times, can we not cut these out? Handling errors can be partly forgiven, it was very greasy tonight, but still frustrating. Our defence was solid, even when when some tackles were missed others scrambled well. They made how many breaks?
Going forward I thought we ran good angles, good dummy runners, overall we ran well and showed good hands. Hate to say it but Tomkins cost us two tries tonight - both 3-man overlaps on the right and he went himself. He's a talent but he has plenty to learn.

Hudds: Superb defence. We ran well but Hudds' defence was awesome. No gaps at all. They covered our every option which is why Sam's mistakes when we finally worked a couple of overlaps has cost us. Let's not pretend they're an automatic 2 points any more, this is a good strong side who will turn plenty over.

Overall, bitterly disappointed. The ref caned us but we couldn't turn possession into points - but credit to Hudds' defence for that. Good to see some passion as well.

Agree with most of that.

DaveO wrote:

Seems to me when confronted with the negative tactics from the opposition we had no plan B. Well there is a surprise.

No use blaming the ref as once the oppositions tactics become obvious different tactics from us should have been employed.

Were they?

Dave

Yes, we tried up the jumper, throwing it about and fighting and none of it was able to counteract grapple tackles and holding down. A strong ref tonight would have seen Hudds penalised out of sight.

: Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:47 am  

AJ wrote:

Agree with most of that.



Yes, we tried up the jumper, throwing it about and fighting and none of it was able to counteract grapple tackles and holding down. A strong ref tonight would have seen Hudds penalised out of sight.

a good opposition tonight might have given us a game

: Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:56 am  

I'M FED UP WITH ALL THIS BLAMING THE REF

we dropped the ball 3 times over the line
we dropped the ball severasl times in the red zone
we refused to try anything different all game
no scoots from the ptb
no early kicks
no 40-20 attempts
no offloads from anyone bar hock
we had a man advantage for 10 mins and still looked clueless

to me - we showed a lot of our usual failing. we play well fo 20, dont convert possession to points and then start losing composure.
when weve played well this year, its behind a good pack display, and a lively hooker performance (both were missing)

the fact is saints, leeds would have hammered hudds with the possession we had.
the ref wasnt good - but he wasnt the reason we lost. we were worse

: Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:56 am  

I'm not in a state of panic.


Much worse that that




I've started to not care that much!

: Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:59 am  

YICKER wrote:

yeah a few went unnoticed

from both sides