Jukesays wrote:
But he's not qualified to check his Airways, he makes no attempt to go into any position to do any kind of medical check, I would assume because he had no intention of performing, quite rightly, any form of medical check. Contrast that with what the medical team did when they were onsite 3 to 4 seconds later, they didn't pull on his arm or shoulder?
Am i sat here slating Hiku, when he did show concern, no
But the players and clubs were told in 2021/2022 in no uncertain terms not to touch players lying injured or potentially injured. He did
The whole game agreed that the sanctions were grade E 4-6
Thats what theyve done
Just because the outcome was fine doesn't mean that what he did couldn't have made things worse, and that ultimately is what the rule is there for
If they dont charge him then the next time.someone does it they'll use this case as a reason why no charge should be raised and potentially that may not have ended as well as this case
Read paul Vaughans charge end of last year against Saints
Mate, I've already said I disagree with you. What do you want me to say?
I also don't appreciate you putting words in my mouth. I didn't say he was performing any medical checks. I said
I was always taught to check airways, as a rebuttal to you saying a prone player should never be moved. That's not the case if they're knocked out or unconscious as safely making sure their airways are clear becomes the priority. Someone who has suffered a blow to the head and is potentially unconscious can be subject to many dangers including vomiting, swallowing blood from injuries to the mouth etc. You don't need medical training to look for signs of these. They are also far more likely than a spinal injury.
I only said Hiku was checking he was ok and did so without any risk to the neck or spine which, in my opinion (you're free to disagree) was the right thing to do and exactly the same as I would have done in similar circumstances.
Had he tried to rotate him or get him in a seated position or, worse still, lift him to his feet then I would agree with you. Lifting his arm slightly to assess he was ok was none of those things.
As for Vaughn, that was a completely different set of circumstances. He tried to lift him to his feet because he was annoyed at him. Not the same thing at all and worthy of a ban.
Lastly, how do you know he hasn't had any medical training? Many people in all walks of life do first aid courses. Being around a sporting environment would mean him being around injury protocols more than most. He might be studying physio or other related things for his post playing career. I'm not saying he has. I don't know. But neither do you.
Anyway, I'll say it again. We'll agree to disagree on this one.
