Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Fri Jul 19, 2024 9:32 pm  

Zig wrote:

Which clown? Their are plenty on Redvee.

There. At least those clowns are educated. Unlike you.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Fri Jul 19, 2024 9:34 pm  

Cherry_Warrior wrote:

This golden generation Mike Rush was on about........ Have i missed something? Vaughan was waaaayyy out of his depth tonight. Robertson was like a boy in a mans world but i thought Stephens did ok. This generation looks like the last one that brought Bennison and Davies through.


I think we will be ok.

There isn’t a golden generation. It’s a myth from rush because the club is skint

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Fri Jul 19, 2024 11:59 pm  

RobRiches wrote:

There. At least those clowns are educated. Unlike you.

Thank you for pointing that out. Go to the top of the class and sharpen the rubbers.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Jul 20, 2024 12:04 am  

RobRiches wrote:

There isn’t a golden generation. It’s a myth from rush because the club is skint

By the way names start with capital letters, you’re not that bright probably a 5 watt bulb at the best. I would nominate you for the award of ‘tool of the year’ but sadly I can’t as tools are useful

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Jul 20, 2024 7:33 am  

Not sure if Warrington have turned a corner or Saints are that poor. I think a bit of both maybe. Fair play to Warrington going down to 11 men and winning a game takes some doing, something I never thought Warrington would be capable of. Saints I have no words for, they had a few pens on the Warrington line and still couldn’t make anything happen, I’d of bet on a championship side winning that game if they were in saints shoes. I’m a little embarrassed of our saints scoreline now

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Jul 20, 2024 8:47 am  

To play 60 mins with 12 and if you include 10 mins with 11 men and still win is a great achievement in my book especially against a team that could have won everything for next few years (not my quote) what with their golden generation etc.

10 mins with the opposition down to 11 men and still couldnt score,that is embarrassing to say the least.
Anyway cant wait to see all those fantastic players get back playing for Saints.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Jul 20, 2024 9:54 am  

Was a massive achievement to win 4 in a row but am I wrong that they should have had more, didn’t they loose two season back to back at the start of their reign a play off to cas sticks out to me. Wigan still early on and we fluffed the title again Leeds in the play offs. Hopefully we can go on a dominant run

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Jul 20, 2024 10:58 am  

I still think St Helens will come very close to the GF, if not make it. We've seen this play out a few times before - remember 2016 when we lost to Widnes at home with one of the worst performances in living memory. We went on to win the title. Remember 2017 when Leeds got pumped by 50 points at Cas and went on to win it.

Saints will have a big group of players coming back into the side who will be well rested for the end of the year. They'll also have a group who have been criticised all year with an opportunity to make a lot of people look very silly with just three wins in the playoffs.

Its not a criticism as our fans would be the same but I think theres a few in the Saints fan base who are going a little over the top at the minute. I understand the frustration with Wellens but he is working with a squad in decline as opposed to a squad in their prime as Holbrook and Woolf were. Theyll need to find a way of improving their attack - ultimately when the playoffs come around I think their best chance will be to turn to their more experienced players.

If they end up travelling to Warrington in a playoff semi final for example - they would be favourites in my mind.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Jul 20, 2024 11:47 am  

MadDogg wrote:

I still think St Helens will come very close to the GF, if not make it. We've seen this play out a few times before - remember 2016 when we lost to Widnes at home with one of the worst performances in living memory. We went on to win the title. Remember 2017 when Leeds got pumped by 50 points at Cas and went on to win it.

Saints will have a big group of players coming back into the side who will be well rested for the end of the year. They'll also have a group who have been criticised all year with an opportunity to make a lot of people look very silly with just three wins in the playoffs.

Its not a criticism as our fans would be the same but I think theres a few in the Saints fan base who are going a little over the top at the minute. I understand the frustration with Wellens but he is working with a squad in decline as opposed to a squad in their prime as Holbrook and Woolf were. Theyll need to find a way of improving their attack - ultimately when the playoffs come around I think their best chance will be to turn to their more experienced players.

If they end up travelling to Warrington in a playoff semi final for example - they would be favourites in my mind.

I think it all depends on how many they keep losing. They've lost 7 already with Leigh away next week.

Let's look at their remaining fixtures:

Leigh (A) - Tough game.
Hull FC (A) - Should Win.
Salford (H) - Tough game.
Wigan (Magic) - Tough game.
Hull KR (H) - Tough game.
Huddersfield (A) - Should Win.
Wire (A) - Tough game.
Cas (H) - Should Win.
Leigh (A) - Tough game.

Obviously they will have players to come back gradually but even so that's not an easy run in, especially when you've lost 7 already.

6 Tough games and 3 Should Win games, now will they go on and lose every tough game - very much doubt it. But its not inconceivable they won't lose an additional 3-5 matches out of those nine remaining. Will that get you into the playoffs? Touch and go.

Re: Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE : Sat Jul 20, 2024 12:09 pm  

It's all going to be about getting those players back, while trying to limit too much damage. If they can stick in the top 4, then I still have them as the biggest challenge to Wigan going back to back. That's not to say Wire, HKR etc couldn't topple us in a one off game but I think we'd need to be off for that to happen. Against a fully fit Saints side, I still think we could play pretty well and get beat, especially if the weather comes in and makes the game a real grind. There will be a real determination to end things on a high for somebody like Makinson and the other guys leaving and there is a lot of power to come back in the forwards via Walmsley, Matautua, Batchelor and so on.

They're clearly not the force they were and without some good recruitment they could drop away a bit over this next couple of years but for now we'd be foolish to write them off because much stranger things have happened than this Saints side winning a Grand Final.