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: Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:45 pm  
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In any business in the world, managers are sacked if their staff arn't either performing at the best of their abilities or they are restricted in their role by bad management decisions.

I think at Wigan we have both, we have players who seem to have played better when either at their previous clubs or they arnt able to show the promise that they have no doubt had.

I feel the brand of rugby which Wigan is serving up is a direct eddit from the manager (in this case BN), and the reason the players have their own agenda is that arn't all ok with the type of football, said manager, wants them to play..

I think from the comments on this message board and others is that the consensus of opinion is that we play a poor brand of rugby and it is with either a great deal of luck or players giving 100% which has papered over the cracks of an inconsistant last few years. Ok we made the play-offs, but if you had to watch a season in review of both seasons you would have to say our game and our stars/players improvement has been none existent, lockers in any other side would be a world class player by now but all that promise along with other such talent has been waisted.

Ok brian had a good record at Bradford and no one could argue about the trophies they won, but he also had a side that was constructed for him, with just a few additions and had a team which suited his big roll over other team type play, at wigan he doesnt have these type players with the exception of Feka, yet his style of play and coaching hasnt adapted to the modern type game which has seen saints and leeds flourish... and ok if he can only coach this type of game, why hasnt his recruitment drive reflected his successful coaching style.

I have been very patient in terms of giving Noble time to put his stamp on the club, but his recruitment and contract renewals on certain players is perplexing and sometimes us messageboarders dont give ourselves enough credit for our observations... but why did we need amos roberts so soon when everyone one can see we needed an enfocer type prop....

Same crap rugby, same crap after match comments, rediculously poor discipline(a part of our game I find most distasteful) poor basic skills, a team that lack a real leader, poor defence.

I am an optomist but sometimes, one has to get out the smelling salts and start smelling the b*llshit!!!!!


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: Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:46 pm  
I dont think the expectations are as high as alot of people think, most would be happy with a 3rd place finish and some consistant performances. Its not alot asking for a first home win against a poor wakey side.
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: Sun Feb 22, 2009 5:52 pm  
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but why did we need amos roberts so soon when everyone one can see we needed an enfocer type prop....


I think this is what we as fans cannot understand. It seems as if they have bought Amos purely because he was available and there was some money in the pot. I am not knocking Amos, he has a good record in the NRL but we have a fantastic young homegrown winger and Pat for the wings with cover from Phelps and Pryce so why bring in another. We need a fullback and a sh1thouse prop and a replacement for Trent, although Sam should get a chance there hopefully, and we get another winger. Why?
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: Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:56 pm  
Is it a case of the market place been pretty empty of Props, but other teams have recruited!!

I really think this has been a massive learning curve for Ian Lenegan in terms of organising games and making sure we have the ground issues covered, player recruitment and just making sure we remain a professionally run outfit...

I would like to come back to the word "Expectation", Lets not forget all the great marketting and promotional work the club do to provide us with the high levels of expectation we have. The club actively bombard us with, "We are going to do this" "We are going to do that" and anyone who has a business would promote it to the best of their ability to get as many punters/fans in the ground as possible. But I am sorry you can't have it all your own way. When them "Expectations" are so drastically different from the reality, us punters/fans who pay our hard earned cash out have a right to be disappointed and want action to be taken. Maybe things will improve but I doubt it.

ON a last point.. Ian Lenegan although owner is the custodian of our once great club, he has a duty to listen to our needs and desires as investors of the club... The question is how many games does Nobby have left?
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