Re: New era at Wimbledon : Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:29 pm  

gardener wrote:

An elaspsed season ticket holder who did not go to the game as working i just searched London Broncos yesterday on twitter yesterday just to see what it was like on social media.
One person on twitter who was a developer at Google in London said he enjoyed his first game even though he had no idea of the rules.Like others have said surely even an eight page handout with squad profiles and rules would have been ideal for the first game.It could even have included a discount voucher for the next game.At the next game do it again including a discount voucher and continue for the season.

In a hand out they could of included the ref's signals to show the new fans why scrums or penalties are awarded. They always had a ref's page in the previous programs.

Re: New era at Wimbledon : Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:37 pm  

Smithers99 wrote:

I still agree that financially it's a stretch, but I don't think the per match costs are quite as bad as being suggested. Put it this way, if they were then it is a guaranteed loss per match and even from what I've learnt about the Broncos, I don't think they'd get that so badly wrong.

You might be giving Broncos management too much credit here. I suspect a guaranteed loss per match has been the norm.

Re: New era at Wimbledon : Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:48 pm  

wantawin wrote:

In a hand out they could of included the ref's signals to show the new fans why scrums or penalties are awarded. They always had a ref's page in the previous programs.

They could have left a copy in the ref's dressing room, he looked like he needed it at times.......

Re: New era at Wimbledon : Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:15 pm  

jbuzza wrote:

You might be giving Broncos management too much credit here. I suspect a guaranteed loss per match has been the norm.

Ha Ha. From what I read in the last few months, perhaps I'm being a little generous!

I was partly referring to this generally held view that I don't believe to be correct.

"The club need a 750 average paying the full £22.00 a game to pay just the rent at Plough Lane."

750 spectators paying top price does indeed cover a 200K/13. Of course not everybody will pay top price even with zero offers due to concessions, children, memberships, away fans cheaper seating etc. Certainly sub £20.

So yes we can roughly calculate ticket sales revenue, but I'm very dubious with the belief that 750 is the break even to directly cover the rent. I think the rent figure assumes 2,000 spectators. And probably it's a percentage of ticket revenue so yesterday won't require a circa 15K rent charge.

That was why I'm interested what the Broncos themselves stated about the rent because I'm pretty certain it's not a flat 200K for 13 matches.

Re: New era at Wimbledon : Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:25 pm  

wantawin wrote:

In a hand out they could of included the ref's signals to show the new fans why scrums or penalties are awarded. They always had a ref's page in the previous programs.

Absolutely. I thought I'd easily count the number of tackles, but I was losing count (concentration really as I looked elsewhere such as trying to work out where players were lining up). Then remembered that the referee will signal the fifth tackle which mitigated me expecting a kick when there was no need yet. But that's based on a small exposure to the sport over the years. For many they wouldn't have had a clue to the real reason for a kick, and of course you don't have to kick after the fifth tackle nor do you have to wait until then too kick.

If you could only tell a new spectator one thing, I'd mention the tackle rule and the associated referees signal. Gives the first basic insight to what is happening out on the pitch.

Re: New era at Wimbledon : Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:31 pm  

Here is where the 200K figure came from: https://thedonstrust.org/files/London-B ... ion-QA.pdf As you can see from this.... 'The deal would be worth between £200,000 and £500,000 per year - a wide variance largely depending on whether the London Broncos play in the Championship or the Super League. They are currently in the Championship but ambitiously seeking to return to the Super League. This figure will be made up from guaranteed ground rental fees as well as additional commission on matchday income such as tickets and beverages' ....the 200K figure represents the potential value to Wimbledon of the groundshare. We do not in fact know the guaranteed rent.

Here is where the 200K figure came from: https://thedonstrust.org/files/London-B ... ion-QA.pdf As you can see from this.... 'The deal would be worth between £200,000 and £500,000 per year - a wide variance largely depending on whether the London Broncos play in the Championship or the Super League. They are currently in the Championship but ambitiously seeking to return to the Super League. This figure will be made up from guaranteed ground rental fees as well as additional commission on matchday income such as tickets and beverages' ....the 200K figure represents the potential value to Wimbledon of the groundshare. We do not in fact know the guaranteed rent.

Re: New era at Wimbledon : Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:10 pm  

Mash Tun wrote: Here is where the 200K figure came from: https://thedonstrust.org/files/London-B ... ion-QA.pdf As you can see from this.... 'The deal would be worth between £200,000 and £500,000 per year - a wide variance largely depending on whether the London Broncos play in the Championship or the Super League. They are currently in the Championship but ambitiously seeking to return to the Super League. This figure will be made up from guaranteed ground rental fees as well as additional commission on matchday income such as tickets and beverages' ....the 200K figure represents the potential value to Wimbledon of the groundshare. We do not in fact know the guaranteed rent. Thanks Mush Tun. Do we think that is the only source of the figures rather than something in addition from the Broncos directly? There are two key attendance figures that are associated with the Broncos, 2,000 and 5,000. Which I suggest directly equates to those two rent levels. It could have been better written because the 200K is not guaranteed. Rather it's an expected minimum related to expected attendances. I'm making an assumption that 2,000 is the minimum expected attendance, based on some other expectations rather than just a random number. I'd assume there is indeed a minimum rent, Broncos won't get the ground for a couple of pounds if one man and his dog attended. In the event of a lockdown I think Broncos would play elsewhere due to that minimum clause.

Mash Tun wrote: Here is where the 200K figure came from: https://thedonstrust.org/files/London-B ... ion-QA.pdf As you can see from this.... 'The deal would be worth between £200,000 and £500,000 per year - a wide variance largely depending on whether the London Broncos play in the Championship or the Super League. They are currently in the Championship but ambitiously seeking to return to the Super League. This figure will be made up from guaranteed ground rental fees as well as additional commission on matchday income such as tickets and beverages' ....the 200K figure represents the potential value to Wimbledon of the groundshare. We do not in fact know the guaranteed rent. Thanks Mush Tun. Do we think that is the only source of the figures rather than something in addition from the Broncos directly? There are two key attendance figures that are associated with the Broncos, 2,000 and 5,000. Which I suggest directly equates to those two rent levels. It could have been better written because the 200K is not guaranteed. Rather it's an expected minimum related to expected attendances. I'm making an assumption that 2,000 is the minimum expected attendance, based on some other expectations rather than just a random number. I'd assume there is indeed a minimum rent, Broncos won't get the ground for a couple of pounds if one man and his dog attended. In the event of a lockdown I think Broncos would play elsewhere due to that minimum clause.

Re: New era at Wimbledon : Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:28 pm  

Smithers99 wrote:

Thanks Mush Tun. Do we think that is the only source of the figures rather than something in addition from the Broncos directly? There are two key attendance figures that are associated with the Broncos, 2,000 and 5,000. Which I suggest directly equates to those two rent levels.

It could have been better written because the 200K is not guaranteed. Rather it's an expected minimum related to expected attendances. I'm making an assumption that 2,000 is the minimum expected attendance, based on some other expectations rather than just a random number.

I'd assume there is indeed a minimum rent, Broncos won't get the ground for a couple of pounds if one man and his dog attended. In the event of a lockdown I think Broncos would play elsewhere due to that minimum clause.

That's the only source.

The £200,0000 figure is not guaranteed, correct, but there is a break clause in the groundshare agreement.

I think you might be right to assume the £200-500K figures correlate to 2000 and 5000 crowd figures, as 5000 is the Broncos' stated target within three years.

But the claim made on this thread that the Broncos are paying £200,000 rent is clearly erroneous. It's a revenue-share model - the higher the ticket/food/drink sales, the more Broncos pay on top of the undisclosed minimum rent - and vice versa.

Re: New era at Wimbledon : Tue Feb 01, 2022 5:46 pm  

Has anyone asked doddery Dave where the magical 5,000 fan figure came from? Its ringing bells.....
In terms of the rent.....the figure quoted says between 200k and 500k.....if I was asking what something costs and was told that, is assuredly know that 200k was the cheapest option. For that reason, I'll take 15 grand from 750 fans as being enough to pay the rent to the dons, with doddery propping up the clubs other grounds, wages, expences etc ....

Wimbledon is a vanity project. It's like the thousands who live below the poverty line in the UK but who can afford to drink, smoke and 2atch sky on their smart TV's

Ealing as a part time club, Wimbledon as a SL club, but not some hybrid efo trip from our clueless owner

Re: New era at Wimbledon : Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:20 pm  

Went over to the club twitter to see if there were any highlights etc.......found myself blocked!!! Guess the few home truths I posted hit a nerve.

Ironic thing is, I was going to head over to the next home game. End my self imposed exile and have a nose of the new ground. Well they can go whistle now.
I'm not even bothering checking the scores now. Club dead to me.

Enjoy chaps