Re: London Powerhouse say IMG : Sat Dec 17, 2022 9:17 pm  

I got a woolly hat last season it was part of the all black range or some such. It too was a good quality item. I think it’s safe to say when it comes to hats Broncos are super league standard. My concern is this is not one of the metrics for Cat A as far as I know.

Re: London Powerhouse say IMG : Sat Dec 17, 2022 9:29 pm  

BigTime wrote:

I got a woolly hat last season it was part of the all black range or some such. It too was a good quality item. I think it’s safe to say when it comes to hats Broncos are super league standard. My concern is this is not one of the metrics for Cat A as far as I know.

Well, it should be. Absolutely.
Is Cat A defined by northern monkeys? Do only flat caps count!?

Re: London Powerhouse say IMG : Sun Dec 18, 2022 4:00 am  

Benny Profane wrote:

RfE wrote:

(Sent from Parkshot House in Richmond. Do we have an office there now?)

The club have a REGUS office there. I believe it's been that way since Loubser became CEO (he lives just down the road).

On the topic of IMG & London. A blind man can see that there's "potential" in London, but who will pay for it?

Re: London Powerhouse say IMG : Sun Dec 18, 2022 9:40 am  

orangeman wrote:

Benny Profane wrote:

RfE wrote:

(Sent from Parkshot House in Richmond. Do we have an office there now?)

On the topic of IMG & London. A blind man can see that there's "potential" in London, but who will pay for it?

I wonder if a better run, more competitive club attracting more fans would cost much more ?

Re: London Powerhouse say IMG : Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:40 am  

for all our talk of poor/ineffective marketing and poor match day experience (both true). I went to see Haringey Huskies ice hockey team at Ally Pally for the 2nd time. Yet again despite a rail strike it was pretty near the I would guess 1000 capacity. Ice hockey especially lower tier IH is almost invisible, much more so than RL. The players aren’t paid, there was no match day experience, 1st time a mascot 2nd time nothing. At half time they did a competition for the kids a £1 a go whoever gets nearest the cone with a puck wins a shirt. That was it and yet the crowd came. Ally Pally is in Haringay nearby are well heeled areas and very poor areas. My guess was fans came from the former. There were loads of kids and families, couples, mates on a night out, Haringey Borough football club sent a few fans over. I think there was one group of scouts or some such. Basically at £8.50 for adults and £4.5 for kids they were as packed as they hoped to be. I have no idea why they would come to IH but not to RL both fast and non standard sports. Price is one thing, location another, the fact they win most games another, match day on Saturday more of a draw? As Key and Eagle are sponsors of the team maybe LB management could see if there are lessons to be learned because we are a million miles from 5k gates and the more often we lose the worse it will get.

Re: London Powerhouse say IMG : Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:04 pm  

jbuzza wrote:

orangeman wrote:

Benny Profane wrote:

RfE wrote:

(Sent from Parkshot House in Richmond. Do we have an office there now?)

On the topic of IMG & London. A blind man can see that there's "potential" in London, but who will pay for it?

I wonder if a better run, more competitive club attracting more fans would cost much more ?

The legacy of Hughes inept recruitment as well as his refusal to accept that he is 100% WRONG in terms of his marketing strategy (Field of Dreams just doesn't work) is that we had a competitive side with 4,000+ regulars back in 2007 and that was costing £4,000,000 a year to bankroll. Sky paid about 1.8 of that, leaving £2,200,000 to find. I was told the income per entrant was approximately £14.00, so 50,000 over the season delivered £700,000 of that and Hughes to oft quoted £1,500,000.
As the years went by and he eroded the side and fans through mismanagement and neglect, he continued to bankroll the club at the same level but for a diminishing return until in 2014, his opus (part 1) was completed and we were relegated with 1 win under his belt. 2015 saw him continue to bankroll the side, which continued to underperform. I genuinely think that Covid gave him the perfect excuse to cut back his level of funding back, but the reality is, this has been a slow death and so as to answer your question, regeneration of London back to a competitive side playing to 4,500 fans would cost considerably more than it did on 2007. I'd guestimate nearer to £10,000,000 per year over 2 decades and you'd get a 10K average delivering £3,250,000 on the gate, the same in residuals with SKY and sponsors covering the rest, but until you get it up and running, there's the matter of another source covering the missing £6.5 million on the gate and merch/beers, as well as the Sponsors.
I'll say it again. IMG should bankroll it if they think it's a "sleeping giant", but Hughes should be allowed nowhere near it.

If it were me. I'd return to trailfinders as an investment partner, helping underwrite the new stand they need, but on a long term lease, with full and equal distribution of the match day costs and incomes. I hardly recall a single "offer" to entice me into the corporate area at Trailfinders, the Hive or the Stoop, whilst before that, Stripes was never anything but rammed!

It would seem to me that Loubser championed corporate income as a key fact in the farcical move to PL and Hughes called his bluff by saying if he was that confident, he could pay his wages from the corporate takings ......Oh how I wish that were true It would show that a lesson about consequences of failure was being taught!

Re: London Powerhouse say IMG : Mon Dec 19, 2022 6:10 am  

Capacity at Ally Pally rink is 1,250 from memory.

When I lived in London I often nipped to the Pally for a game.Haringey Racers used to fill the place in Tier Four with free admission. Then they introduced a £1 chargee, gates collapsed overnight. Racers morphed into Haringey Greyhounds and built the gates back up. A name swop back to Racers coincided with declining gates and Racers ceased to exist. Huskies were founded and have done a good job building up their gates

South of the water, Streatham have also seen big gate increases, as have Haringey Borough FC.

It's hard work but with the right strategy, you can build a crowd.

Re: London Powerhouse say IMG : Mon Dec 19, 2022 9:52 am  

Halfdan of t'wide embrace wrote:

It's hard work but with the right strategy, you can build a crowd.

What is most frustrating is that through the efforts of Chris Warren, Broncos knew this too once.

Re: London Powerhouse say IMG : Mon Dec 19, 2022 12:07 pm  

Actually I should have said with the right strategy and right product...

Not sure Broncos offered either last season. The off field plans do sound like they may offer something this season. On the field remains uncertain.

Re: London Powerhouse say IMG : Mon Dec 19, 2022 1:33 pm  

BigTime wrote:

for all our talk of poor/ineffective marketing and poor match day experience (both true). I went to see Haringey Huskies ice hockey team at Ally Pally for the 2nd time. Yet again despite a rail strike it was pretty near the I would guess 1000 capacity. Ice hockey especially lower tier IH is almost invisible, much more so than RL. The players aren’t paid, there was no match day experience, 1st time a mascot 2nd time nothing. At half time they did a competition for the kids a £1 a go whoever gets nearest the cone with a puck wins a shirt. That was it and yet the crowd came. Ally Pally is in Haringay nearby are well heeled areas and very poor areas. My guess was fans came from the former. There were loads of kids and families, couples, mates on a night out, Haringey Borough football club sent a few fans over. I think there was one group of scouts or some such. Basically at £8.50 for adults and £4.5 for kids they were as packed as they hoped to be. I have no idea why they would come to IH but not to RL both fast and non standard sports. Price is one thing, location another, the fact they win most games another, match day on Saturday more of a draw? As Key and Eagle are sponsors of the team maybe LB management could see if there are lessons to be learned because we are a million miles from 5k gates and the more often we lose the worse it will get.

We go and attend Guildford Flames when we can, and its usually at about 80% capacity, even with rail strikes etc. I really feel if Basketball / Ice Hockey can manage it with a lot less funding than RL in the south, it should be possible for a RL team for London.