: Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:18 pm  

Code13 wrote:

Yes you are missing something
Then I`m open to persuasion

We dont need him
Pure conjecture on your part I respectfully suggest
Nathan Brown , Richard and Ken Davy may consider we NEED some additional cover in certain positions -he may fit their criteria - or why bother even opening negotiations?

His quality is going to be in question given his age and duration of contract
See above -I would consider they have enough experience and business acumen to have considered ALL aspects prior to commencing talks

We already know it is a "very good offer"
This statement is usually made by those making the offer -If not shared by the recipient - then a deal would require more negotiations

He isnt the one making spurious demands that ultimately dont mean anything, what is a "government approved financial arrangement" anyway?
One can only presume they mean a package where present loopholes arent being plugged


As far as I am aware, the government doesnt approve anything per se, unless he means legal under UK tax legislation, and I would hope all our arrangements are thus.
I am noy saying any club using the reported system was doing anything illegal --but obviously this avenue is being closed and have an effect on the renumeration package

If this player plays for us then good, if not, nothing lost.
Surely if its good if he plays for is -it would be inversely bad or we would lose something if he didnt ?

Maybe someone better will become available...after all if he is second fiddle to a retired player, he aint that much cop.
He looked pretty cop in the recent world cup - and as previous responses - I would presume those makin the approaches also thoughty so Codey
If he aint THAT MUCH COP - why would it be GOOD if he plays for us - and consequentlu why make overtures in the first instance??

You say hes in the twilight of his career so are others but we`ve done pretty well so far and cover MAY be being considered for Moore - that I know not
But why shouldnt a player of his calibre at this stage of his career attempt to negotiate the best terms (within the tax rule book ) for himself prior to retirement ?
Is he any different to anyone else "applying" for a job??

: Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:37 pm  

You don't get it Crackerjack. Either that or you haven't seen the full story re: Fein.

The loophole that Fein and the Giants were evidently going to use re: offshore payments is being closed. This means that Fein knows he is now going to pay more tax than he thought he was going to a few weeks ago and this affects his take-home. To the tune of about 12%, reportedly.

I don't believe this is the player 'negotiating'. Fein's agent is simply angle-shooting. Now that the loophole is being closed, he wants more money. It's as simple as that. I'd bet a pound to a pinch of sh*t he's still being offered better than the Warriors were prepared to pay even after 12%, courtesy of the Warriors press releases before this 'offshore payments' announcement came to light. I'd also bet there isn't a club in the NRL who'd offer him 3 years.

We should not be a cash cow for money hungry antipodean agents. If he doesn't like what's on the table he should see what else he can get. The salary cap is what it is, and one man doesn't make a team.

: Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:12 pm  

I think there is one thing for certain with Ken Davy around and that is we will not be taken for a ride by an agent. If Fiens agent wants more then the Giants will take threaten to remove their offer. It's clear contacts haven't been signed and the agent is upping the price or just trying to make himself look good for any perspective players out there looking for a new agent/

Using your analogy Crackerjack, if your friend didn't get what he thought he was worth would he have walked or settled for less?

: Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:37 pm  

We don`t need Fein, We have McNally waiting in the wings, who should be blooded in SL next season.

: Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:48 pm  

McNally may need another season to get the meat on him but I agree we should look to get him in there as soon as we can, depending on how he develops.

Fein will be getting a good screw if he comes. If he doesn't want to take what we offer, fine. We wont be letting ourselves get mullered by agents for overseas players.

: Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:05 pm  

Baron Greenback wrote:

You don't get it Crackerjack. Either that or you haven't seen the full story re: Fein.

The loophole that Fein and the Giants were evidently going to use re: offshore payments is being closed. This means that Fein knows he is now going to pay more tax than he thought he was going to a few weeks ago and this affects his take-home. To the tune of about 12%, reportedly.

I said similar BG

""One can only presume they mean a package where present loopholes arent being plugged
I am noy saying any club using the reported system was doing anything illegal --but obviously this avenue is being closed and will have an effect on the overall renumeration package""

I don't believe this is the player 'negotiating'. Fein's agent is simply angle-shooting. Now that the loophole is being closed, he wants more money.

Thats my point BG
I am saying that what he probably wants is a similar "package" as agreed before - and the closing of the "loopholes" mean that the club will have to see of they can stack it up a sifferent way - and within government "rules"
SimilarlyI am not saying that he`s being greedy - I am simply saying that if Nathan would like to sign him - and for three years - he must consider it a worthwhile investment in a player
It isnt surprosing in that situation that -as this could be his last "move" he attempts to get the best deal he can for himself and his family

He certainly wouldnt be the first -or indeed the last sportsman to do that
and, as my first post, I sincerely suggest that many of us- including me you Codey and even Richard Thewlis would do likewise If not - then I AM MISSING SOMETHING!

We should not be a cash cow for money hungry antipodean agents. If he doesn't like what's on the table he should see what else he can get. The salary cap is what it is, and one man doesn't make a team

As for agents -then thats another discussion
You or I would have tp battle our own corner and I have long thought rugby players were man enough to do that without a "mouthpiece"
I consider them a drain on the games finances - but clubs long since chose to negotiate in this way --so they`ll have to live with it!
It all comes down now to how highly we really do rate him at this stage in
his career and life
whether theres a "legal" way to address the created shortfall
and ultimately whether we`ll raise or he`ll drop the "bar"

I think theres a few chapters left yet in this story!



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: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:22 pm  

Or perhaps that your posts are so self contradictory, nonsensical and jumbled that they're painful.

The enigma machine made more sense than you!

: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:25 pm  

youre late !!--but so predictable !!

been working over??

: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:27 pm  

Totally O/T and meant in good faith....

Crackerjack please can you edit your posts to make them more readable when replying to someone?

The easiest and grammatically correct way is to use quotes around what someone else says and then you own words outside these quotes for example:

billy wrote:

I like eating fried fish as it is good for you

whilst the fish is good becuase of the Omega 3 the frying action is bad

I also like chips

bad for you too I'm afraid

the above is easier to read when compared to:

billy wrote:

I like eating fried fish as it is good for you

whilst the fish is good becuase of the Omega 3 the frying action is bad

I also like chips

bad for you too I'm afraid

which is difficult to process quickly and therefore read. That is why I believe people get frustrated with your posts and it resort to mayhem.

It has been enjoyable on here in the past few weeks and new people have been posting because of it - lets all make the effort for it to continue.

: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:29 pm  

Crackerjack wrote:

youre late !!--but so predictable !!

been working over??
once again - one line - two herrings !!

Grow up. Your posts are seriously nonsensical. You need to sort it out and lose the man size chip on your shoulder. And stop playing silly games, they don't work.

Bring back the ignore button firefox, please!