Re: O/T Tory candidate : Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:22 am  

If you include all the people who are not included in the unemplyment role now who would of been in the 80s I think we are on a par if not higher.

Massive increase in people on invalidity and 100s of thousands of young people on schemes or at college who in the 80s would of been classed as unemployed.Add to this the large number of people working part time and still claiming benefits and you can see why I think we are living in a country that is in a lot worse situation than stats show when comparing now with the past.

Leigh is a prime example the dole numbers have probably not changed much but how many factories have closed in the last 10 years.

Re: O/T Tory candidate : Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:31 am  

there is no such thing as invalidity benefit

Re: O/T Tory candidate : Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:41 am  

Not as many as closed in the 80's and 90's
David Browns, BICC drastically reduced in size, three pits, two factories, LUT, the carbon place in Guest Street, The Cycle maufacturer, all major employers replaced by? not one large employer. The amount of places of employment may have increased but relatively speaking the numbers have not as they were small chsnged compared to the list as above.
The size of the town has also virtually doubled since the lat 70's early 80's.
No government local or national has assisted this town they have all been a waste of time.

Re: O/T Tory candidate : Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:59 am  

FredParky wrote:

Not as many as closed in the 80's and 90's
David Browns, BICC drastically reduced in size, three pits, two factories, LUT, the carbon place in Guest Street, The Cycle maufacturer, all major employers replaced by? not one large employer. The amount of places of employment may have increased but relatively speaking the numbers have not as they were small chsnged compared to the list as above.
The size of the town has also virtually doubled since the lat 70's early 80's.
No government local or national has assisted this town they have all been a waste of time.

not forgetting U C P cafe

Re: O/T Tory candidate : Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:38 pm  

FredParky wrote:

Not as many as closed in the 80's and 90's
David Browns, BICC drastically reduced in size, three pits, two factories, LUT, the carbon place in Guest Street, The Cycle maufacturer, all major employers replaced by? not one large employer. The amount of places of employment may have increased but relatively speaking the numbers have not as they were small chsnged compared to the list as above.
The size of the town has also virtually doubled since the lat 70's early 80's.
No government local or national has assisted this town they have all been a waste of time.

Fred I was responding to your quote that jobless figures are not as high as the 80s,I agree with all you say above and could of quoted all those firms.

What I tried to say is I don't think their are more "real" jobs now which pay for a full weeks work and don't need govt subsidies than the 80s or 90s.

Re the town doubling I would say the people working out of Leigh but living here has quadrupled.

Re: O/T Tory candidate : Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:37 pm  

peawapp wrote:

there is no such thing as invalidity benefit

Excuse me for being pedantic but...

The HMRC course I was on last week disagrees with you. Anyone that was claiming invalidity benefit back in the day, still claims invalidity benefit.. However, there have been 2 new guises since.

Re: O/T Tory candidate : Tue Jan 26, 2010 6:04 pm  

maurice wrote:

So recently we had a society in which employment was full and we needed immigrant labour as those not working had no intention of ever doing so, the employment market changes and we have people wanting to work seeing potential jobs still owned by those immigrant workers.
My first act as PM would be to stop dole money to anyone out of work for 3 months or over, I would provide food, shelter, heat, clothes etc but not cash. That stops the fags, takeaways and beer.
I would then incentivise employers to take on these people and deal with those not willing to work by having the cleanest streets in the world.
Get out of the Human Rights garbage, change the legal aid system, get rid of the claims culture, empower the police to sort out the scum element and take out the red tape in prosecutions, reform schools and health administration - focus on teachers and doctors/nurses, reduce top rate tax, promote entrepreneurism, encourage business to locate to the uk, slap massive taxes on Chinese/Indian etc imports and introduce a citizenship test as in the USA.
We need a BIG BUY BRITISH campaign but we need to manufacture goods to have the choice.

Simple aint it.

You'd have my vote Mo

Re: O/T Tory candidate : Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:16 pm  

problem being twitch is that if your working part-time (above a certain no of hours) your classified as being in work, the rules have changed a few times since the 80's and yes always to manipulate figures every government has and will still do it its a farce.

Re: O/T Tory candidate : Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:44 pm  

EU is a communist organisation....... it makes the rich countrys poorer, and the poor countrys rich (level playing feild)..... It drains wealth from our country and spreads it across the rest of Europe.......... Thats why I want out!

We are turning into the third world, no manufacturing, hardly no farming, no gold because Gordon Brown sold it off when it was at its lowest value, causing terrorism by going to an ILLEGAL WAR for American oil companies, we are getting COLONILIZED, politicians are robbing us left right and centre, heroin epidemic............

Re: O/T Tory candidate : Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:11 am  

Mookachaka wrote:

EU is a communist organisation....... it makes the rich countrys poorer, and the poor countrys rich (level playing feild)..... It drains wealth from our country and spreads it across the rest of Europe.......... Thats why I want out!

We are turning into the third world, no manufacturing, hardly no farming, no gold because Gordon Brown sold it off when it was at its lowest value, causing terrorism by going to an ILLEGAL WAR for American oil companies, we are getting COLONILIZED, politicians are robbing us left right and centre, heroin epidemic............

You need a lift to the airport?