Re: o/t bnp : Sat Mar 14, 2009 8:58 am  

frankb wrote:

Well I,m not going to make any exaggerated claims about immigrants into this country. I,m not even going to mention the 500,000 Brits who live in Spain and only come home when they need medical treatment.

I,m not going to mention the Pakistani doctors or the disproportionate number of Jews in the legal profession or the Cockneys on the radio trying to get us to buy German vans or the Americans who run Asda.

I,m just a lad who happens to live in the posh part of Salford who has been annoyed sometimes with folk of all nationalities and similararily has enjoyed the company sometimes of all nationalities.

I however do know this. Before I,d vote for any racist party I,d stop watching Leigh RLFC and go and watch Wigan .

Racist/nationalist politics have been tried before and once elected take a long time to shift. I think sensible people who know anything about history know that.

Very well put.
It would sicken my stomach knowing my hard earned tax money was given to a bnp councilor to spend - having been elected with a bigger %, because of poor usual turn out to vote.
A vote for bnp is not a protest vote against other parties but another step forward for letting them in.

: Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:19 am  

soldiers field wrote:

they do get tokens for the period until their immigration status is decided. if they are allowed leave to remain in the uk then they can claim benefits like anybody else.

we should adopt the aussie approach were you need either a job or savings to financially support yourself before they are allowed to go to australia.

Agreed.
Another thing that ticks me off about some of the immigrants is that they have been going to our local ponds at night and taking carp stock out and eating them, the farmer near Lilford park has caught them on more than 1 occasion

: Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:44 am  

Don't the aussies also have a system whereby EVERYONE has to work for seven years before being entitled to any benefits?

Great idea imo

: Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:01 am  

Canada, USA etc have laws similar as Aus. Just like we do - shock horror
Have you ever been to Newark Airport in NY ? Try find someone that speaks English there. There are always loopholes which the bad apples get around. Doesn't mean we have to label them all as that when most are contributing to society.

: Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:04 am  

Walt Mooney Fan Club wrote:

No one could ever accuse you of being racist for voting....it is your right in a democracy. However, if you vote for a racist party, people are entitled to opine your reasons for doing it.
In my opinion people who vote BNP fall into two categories - racist, or stupid....or both!!

Is everyone who votes Labour either stupid or a commie?

Is everyone who votes Tory either stupid or a facist?

If BNP hits the headlines and gets British people talking about British issues without fear of being labelled racist (whatever that means nowadays), then they have suceeded in my opinion.

: Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:17 am  

soldiers field wrote:

they do get tokens for the period until their immigration status is decided. if they are allowed leave to remain in the uk then they can claim benefits like anybody else.

we should adopt the aussie approach were you need either a job or savings to financially support yourself before they are allowed to go to australia.

The best one that the aussies did was the time there was a ship load of asylum seekers 150 miles off the sydney coast heading for Australia, they were told in no uncertain terms that if they come within 100 miles of the coast the ship will be sunk.

People coming here to work wouldn't bother me if they were putting something back into the econemy the thing that gets on my nerves are the asylum seekers who have to travel through country after country to get too these shores why can't they claim asylum in say France or Germany? It's easy no country wants to take them in and keep sending them on there way untill they reach our shores.

: Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:19 am  

Kelly's Eye wrote:

Fact is we all have less rights than those who see the UK as a new home

That's not a fact, that's ignorant twaddle. I'm not even quoting the rest of your nasty, stupid post.

Oh, and JUST because you SAY IT IN CAPITALS that doesn't stop you TALKING NONESENSE.

Funny that you complain that democracy is fading away, then tell us that you haven't voted for years and don't intend to do so. Stupid, stupid man.

: Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:28 am  

Wembley71 wrote:

That's not a fact, that's ignorant twaddle. I'm not even quoting the rest of your nasty, stupid post.

Oh, and JUST because you SAY IT IN CAPITALS that doesn't stop you TALKING NONESENSE.

Funny that you complain that democracy is fading away, then tell us that you haven't voted for years and don't intend to do so. Stupid, stupid man.

Go and ask all those genuine unemployed lads who work on building sites who has the most rights, go and ask people who have genuine disability who has the most rights, go and ask those who have elderly relatives who has the most rights and they will all tell you it isnt them.

Go down the post office and see who is getting what, go into any bookmakers and see who is pumping the hundreds even thousands of pounds in to those stupid roulette machines.

You call me stupid?

Perhaps I am, for after all I cant go to another country and get a free ride courtesy of its resident natives like these lot can.

: Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:32 am  

People are frustrated with the narrow centralisation of politics and, as we seem to have been lead by the hand, dancing and singing into financial oblivion by ALL powerbrokers the BNP will start to land their message with some people. Extreme views made more palatable in dire circumstances.

I was shocked to be handed a BNP leaflet in a quiet pub on Thursday night.

A quick read of the garbage would have you believe they are a credible party.

And they couldn't be clearer - they're not racists. Yeh, right.

Just like the tories are the real people's party and the party of the environment.

: Sat Mar 14, 2009 10:33 am  

Whether folk like it or not, the hassle an ordinary working man who has fallen on lean times has getting benefits is criminal in comparison to those who have just jumped out of a wagon.

If anyone doubts it, just ask any brickie, joiner, plumber etc who's not worked for the last few months.

If you got made redundant today you would be lucky to see anything for months.