You mean they Dont know What planet have they been on?We can all make our Speeches ,or come up with our Ideas , on what we can try to do , and im not saying you are wrong , what i am saying is "We already know this",i can give you Lincolns Speech at Gettysburg, or Martin Luthers at Washington both VERY Historical , even Verbatum , but what good would it do?As i said we already know what we must do to keep our Great Club going .

As for Frank , he would agree with David Ickye,if he was promised a Drink. .