Re: LISA S very important annoucement : Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:23 pm  

mishmash wrote:

Here's my two'pennorth worth. I don't ever remember a time when things were so transparent and I'm not sure why everyone is so hung up about it.

When was the last time anyone could attend a Fans Forum and get every single question answered? When was the last time anyone could join one of the many PSG's and get involved with the club should they wish to? When was the last time anyone could email the Chief Exec about a query and get a reply?

I don't think we've ever had this level of openness and I'd like to bet there's no other club being run as efficiently as ours at this moment in time.

One of the problems is,if coffee and freer make a decision and the LISA rep reluctantly goes along with it, then IMO LISAs independence has been compromised and that will do damage to both the club and LISA

Re: LISA S very important annoucement : Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:24 pm  

mishmash wrote:

Here's my two'pennorth worth. I don't ever remember a time when things were so transparent and I'm not sure why everyone is so hung up about it.

When was the last time anyone could attend a Fans Forum and get every single question answered? When was the last time anyone could join one of the many PSG's and get involved with the club should they wish to? When was the last time anyone could email the Chief Exec about a query and get a reply?

I don't think we've ever had this level of openness and I'd like to bet there's no other club being run as efficiently as ours at this moment in time.

history tells us this happens everytime we have hit the abyss, then it disappears over time. A shareholding changes that. What has the club got to lose by selling a share to LISA for the first £20k they put in this year??

[mish]

Re: LISA S very important annoucement : Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:52 pm  

Well supposing the representative was just there as an observer who didn't have any say in making decisions? That way they couldn't be compromised because they haven't had any say but will still be there 'overseeing'.

That seems like the best option to me anyway.

Re: LISA S very important annoucement : Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:11 pm  

mishmash wrote:

Well supposing the representative was just there as an observer who didn't have any say in making decisions? That way they couldn't be compromised because they haven't had any say but will still be there 'overseeing'.

That seems like the best option to me anyway.

I suppose its a compromise of sorts.
With everything iv'e read so far i'm with the posters known as starbug and maurice

Re: LISA S very important annoucement : Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:38 pm  

maurice wrote:

Having a member at board meetings isn't new and I thought it still happened Having done it I can confirm that sensitive issues were rightfully discussed in my absence and that I hadn't a clue what the financial reality was.
This should be about recognising LISA's ongoing contributions by issuing a share upon receipt of the first £20k, that share guarantees things and promotes the concepts of partnership, transparency and unity going forward.
Being a shareholder doesn't compromise independence, and will start to unite the latent fan base behind a transparent future.
What has the club got to lose?

Do you seriously think that the current shareholders on the Board, were afforded that luxury during the last regime?

Re: LISA S very important annoucement : Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:07 pm  

mishmash wrote:

Here's my two'pennorth worth. I don't ever remember a time when things were so transparent and I'm not sure why everyone is so hung up about it.

When was the last time anyone could attend a Fans Forum and get every single question answered? When was the last time anyone could join one of the many PSG's and get involved with the club should they wish to? When was the last time anyone could email the Chief Exec about a query and get a reply?

I don't think we've ever had this level of openness and I'd like to bet there's no other club being run as efficiently as ours at this moment in time.

I can only speak for myself, but in fairness Mish whenever I contacted the club or AR I always got a reply.

Re: LISA S very important annoucement : Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:13 pm  

As an ex-pat LISA member, not that bothered about a place on the board as such, but what would be nice is if the club published accounts every quarter or something. E.g. total spent on player wages (not individuals, just the total), monies paid to directors/staff (if any, again total, not individuals), total gate income (we could see how many freebies were diluting the gate money) etc. It would stop the 'I am not going again until X stops taking money out etc' as you would have hard proof that this was not the case.....any losses and how much we were short so the fans could try to help address the shortfall etc.

Re: LISA S very important annoucement : Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:37 pm  

Athy Box Yed wrote:

As an ex-pat LISA member, not that bothered about a place on the board as such, but what would be nice is if the club published accounts every quarter or something. E.g. total spent on player wages (not individuals, just the total), monies paid to directors/staff (if any, again total, not individuals), total gate income (we could see how many freebies were diluting the gate money) etc. It would stop the 'I am not going again until X stops taking money out etc' as you would have hard proof that this was not the case.....any losses and how much we were short so the fans could try to help address the shortfall etc.

Coudn't have put it better myself.
6months ago i thought this was the path the club was going to go down,Apologies if i'm wrong but i'm sure TB said he had no problem with this.

Re: LISA S very important annoucement : Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:50 pm  

'Freebies' (please define?) wouldn't count in the final total of matchday attendance.

Re: LISA S very important annoucement : Wed Feb 22, 2012 8:29 am  

mishmash wrote:

Well supposing the representative was just there as an observer who didn't have any say in making decisions? That way they couldn't be compromised because they haven't had any say but will still be there 'overseeing'.

That seems like the best option to me anyway.

Reality check here Mish, this shouldn't be about sticking a nose into board meetings and saying nowt.

This is about how our clubs future is mapped, the income will come from fans be it via sponsorship, LISA, Lottery, Touchdown or gate receipts. The incumbant board have stated no more money from them, this should mean the shareholding gets diluted over time and I do not understand why Touchdown get shares and LISA doesn't for its contributions.

We need a vibrant stakeholder driven club with a small working Board answerable to those stakeholders. We do not need a club run by committee unable to move quickly when required. We need complete trust and that is gained by transparency and honesty over a period of time.

If we achieve this we create a club Leigh feel and culture, whilst shutting up the barstool know it alls once and for all.