Re: LISA S very important annoucement : Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:18 pm  

Well I still think the vast majority reading this thread will see this issue is of absolutely no use whatsoever to the functioning of LISA or the club.

I still want to know why having a LISA member on the board helps and yet here we are having a discussion about wasting LISA money just so folk will eventually realise that.

OK this is my opinion and therefore someone come forward' with a good reason as to why I should change my view.

Re: LISA S very important annoucement : Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:19 pm  

FredParky wrote:

you cant afford the best Steve

Your not wrong but thing is J.C. your question requires more than a YES or NO, which for a straight vote the one I wrote is simpler (isn't it?), yours is a debating point for a meeting, but TBH it doesn't concern me as I'm not a voting member I'm just offering advice on an open forum.

Hard to argue with that fred other that to say 99.9% will vote yes because it sounds good', not because they know whats going on

Re: LISA S very important annoucement : Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:36 pm  

Seems to me that the offer of a place on the Board may be as an 'observer', rather than an active member. I suppose this would guarantee transparency to the fans, through LISA.

Of course, if you believe, like I do, that the current board members are being 'transparent' through events such as Fans' Forums, LISA Meetings, etc. then the offer of a place on the Board is superfluous.

Personally, first I would ask the Board exactly what they would expect from a LISA representative, and then ask the question 'Do we need a person on the Board?' If the answer is 'yes' then look for nominations and vote on them.

Re: LISA S very important annoucement : Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:45 pm  

salfordlad wrote:

Well I still think the vast majority reading this thread will see this issue is of absolutely no use whatsoever to the functioning of LISA or the club.

I still want to know why having a LISA member on the board helps and yet here we are having a discussion about wasting LISA money just so folk will eventually realise that.

OK this is my opinion and therefore someone come forward' with a good reason as to why I should change my view.

Frank - although I understand your concerns re: expense, and I would also question the value of the INDEPENDENT supporters association having board membership, you have to accept that the views of twenty or thirty people on here (many of whom, like me, are not LISA members) means nothing. The 4-5 hundred members of LISA are the only one who can decide on what LISA does about this offer, and as this is a decision that could impact the future of LISA (both in membership numbers, and 'mission'), it would only be fair to afford ALL LISA members the opportunity to express their view - be that in person, or by postal ballot. Either way would be the price of a mailshot, as you could either invite the entire membership to an EGM, or enclose a ballot form (but no SAE.....if they understand the cost of the exercise to LISA, they'll pay their own postage!!). That way, the democratic process is served. As regards the nature of the discussion, or the format of the ballot paper, that again could prove a political mine-field, so the best of luck to whoever sorts that out!!

My two pennerth (as a non member) - LISA must remain an INDEPENDENT body.

[Dick Jones]

Re: LISA S very important annoucement : Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:09 pm  

Alan wrote:

Seems to me that the offer of a place on the Board may be as an 'observer', rather than an active member. I suppose this would guarantee transparency to the fans, through LISA.

Of course, if you believe, like I do, that the current board members are being 'transparent' through events such as Fans' Forums, LISA Meetings, etc. then the offer of a place on the Board is superfluous.

Personally, first I would ask the Board exactly what they would expect from a LISA representative, and then ask the question 'Do we need a person on the Board?' If the answer is 'yes' then look for nominations and vote on them.

Thank you Alan Im slowly losing to will to go on and Im very serious about this
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BTW Did anyone hear Phil Coffey say that he used to be chairman of LISA and he became a Director and was still chairman of LISA and it did LISA no harm whatsoever.
I dont think they actually are asking us to become an active director.
AS Alan says provide the fans with the transparency some seem to think we should have. AS for the LISA meetings the LISA director would have to sign a disclaimer to say that certain info was confidentual and the members would have to accept that only certain info their director would be able to disclose.

Re: LISA S very important annoucement : Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:32 pm  

Dick Jones wrote:

Thank you Alan Im slowly losing to will to go on and Im very serious about this
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BTW Did anyone hear Phil Coffey say that he used to be chairman of LISA and he became a Director and was still chairman of LISA and it did LISA no harm whatsoever.
I dont think they actually are asking us to become an active director.
AS Alan says provide the fans with the transparency some seem to think we should have. AS for the LISA meetings the LISA director would have to sign a disclaimer to say that certain info was confidentual and the members would have to accept that only certain info their director would be able to disclose.

My memory aint what it used to be, but I think Phil originally attended Board Meetings as a represenative of LISA. (ironically) However, I believe there were occasions when he had to get out of the meetings when 'sensitive' issues were discussed. I assume that would still apply?

Personally, I believe that the Board are making this offer - (a) in recognition of LISA's enormous financial contribution, over the years and (b) in an effort to provide more transparency to the fans, through LISA. Let's not get hung up over the technical ramifications of this, when there probably aren't any. At the end of the day, for me it's a matter of whether the supporters believe there should be even more transparency to the Club's dealings. Personally, I don't think we need more transparency, but others may well disagree.

Re: LISA S very important annoucement : Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:53 pm  

Having a member at board meetings isn't new and I thought it still happened Having done it I can confirm that sensitive issues were rightfully discussed in my absence and that I hadn't a clue what the financial reality was.
This should be about recognising LISA's ongoing contributions by issuing a share upon receipt of the first £20k, that share guarantees things and promotes the concepts of partnership, transparency and unity going forward.
Being a shareholder doesn't compromise independence, and will start to unite the latent fan base behind a transparent future.
What has the club got to lose?

Re: LISA S very important annoucement : Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:11 pm  

salfordlad wrote:

Well I still think the vast majority reading this thread will see this issue is of absolutely no use whatsoever to the functioning of LISA or the club.

I still want to know why having a LISA member on the board helps and yet here we are having a discussion about wasting LISA money just so folk will eventually realise that.

OK this is my opinion and therefore someone come forward' with a good reason as to why I should change my view.

Frank, long time no speak, i am still a lisa member but find it very hard to get to Leigh after work of a night or for the last couple of years even get to a game. I am though still a fan and want the best for our club. The offer from the BOD seems a good one and an important one, i have read and respect your views regarding the expense of a postal vote and your correct in my opinion that the expense of a postal vote is one LISA could do without. However LISA has a duty to it's members to notify them of any significant decisions that the association needs to make. You and i don't know if we have a LISA member who has very good marketing or advertising contacts and could bring that experience to the board room and i think a postal vote would also clarify what is involved with being a LISA rep on the board. You think it is a bad idea and i won't try and make you change your mind , all i can do is tell you why i think it is necessary.

[mish]

Re: LISA S very important annoucement : Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:17 pm  

Here's my two'pennorth worth. I don't ever remember a time when things were so transparent and I'm not sure why everyone is so hung up about it.

When was the last time anyone could attend a Fans Forum and get every single question answered? When was the last time anyone could join one of the many PSG's and get involved with the club should they wish to? When was the last time anyone could email the Chief Exec about a query and get a reply?

I don't think we've ever had this level of openness and I'd like to bet there's no other club being run as efficiently as ours at this moment in time.

Re: LISA S very important annoucement : Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:21 pm  

Starbug wrote:

Wether LISA has a shareholding or not, what is more important is access to the financial situation at the club at any given time and that best use of LISA donations is being made,

In recent years LISA has had 2 functions, 1 raising of money to help with signing and paying of players , 2 a communication channel between the club and its supporters

With the current administration and the openness of the fans forums, the communication aspect is now less relevant, hopefully the FF s will continue, albeit with less frequency meaning the club is on a more stable footing

Therefore LISA s main concern will be to continue to find new ways of raising money, continuing the current endevoures and attempting to increase membership

Even though we all support the club and may well be members of LISA, everyone one of us will have different ideas on how the club should operate, I myself have beliefs that the club isn't ready for SL and should not apply until it is, how would that opinion fit in with other LISA members if say I was to be the appointed ' LISA ' director?

Similarily if it is an ' ideas ' person, why would they need LISA affiliation? , if you have an idea that you think can benifit the club, it has been thought through, and you can implement it or help the club implement it, contact the BOD or Trevor direct, there is no need to be associated to LISA for that

It is an independant body, with the rights to give or withold money to the club as it sees fit , it should remain that way IMO

If Sporting Club Leigh wished to give the LISA organisation an honorary shareholding in recognisition of its contribution to the club over many years, that would be fine, and perhaps a good idea