Re: Today’s match v London : Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:10 am  

I cannot criticise King in any capacity this season.
It’s fairly obvious that no bridges were burnt between King with any of the board or coaching staff outside of Powell and Sheridon.

King has been muted about his away days and his return and so not aggravated feelings on the season and a half ordeal.

I’m far from being a King fan, and if offered Wardle instead, I wouldn’t need to be asked twice, but without standing out this season, he hasn’t done anything worthy of flack.

King has been solid as has Currie, perhaps in part for players being coached as a team, and restricting individualism for unity. Less being more.

Only Dufty having the blanc carte to capitalise on the opportunities that having a strong uniformed threat right across the team creates, by stretching defenders instead of localised threats like we’ve had for a few years. No longer can teams flush out our limited strengths and predictability, and now this gives Dufty an attack platform, and he is now for us what French is for Wigan.

Re: Today’s match v London : Tue Mar 19, 2024 12:07 pm  

rubber duckie wrote:

We cannot simply carry a player be it Ratchford or a Botica reincarnation who may get you between nil and 2 kicks a game more than a half decent kicker.

All well and good but ... the 2021 Grand Final was decided by 2 points.

Re: Today’s match v London : Tue Mar 19, 2024 12:42 pm  

Wires71 wrote:

All well and good but ... the 2021 Grand Final was decided by 2 points.

Yeah, Saints 2 tries Catalan one try

A good goal kicker is obviously important but Saints won their last two grand finals with Makinson as goal kicker, and before that Coote - who’s decent, but not a patch on Ratchford goal kicking wise. Smith started 2023 terribly with the boot but certainly grew in to it for Wigan.

We need to have one eye on the future, keeping Ratchford on the sidelines means more game time for Wrench / Thewlis & Hayes. It also gives Thewlis & Hayes practice and experience to take on that goal kicking position in future.

Re: Today’s match v London : Tue Mar 19, 2024 12:47 pm  

For me Ratchford is playing the squad role which he should've had for the past two seasons. As a squad man covering most positions and with his experience and goalkicking - it's perfect.

Re: Today’s match v London : Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:05 pm  

Alffi_7 wrote:

Yeah, Saints 2 tries Catalan one try

A good goal kicker is obviously important but Saints won their last two grand finals with Makinson as goal kicker, and before that Coote - who’s decent, but not a patch on Ratchford goal kicking wise. Smith started 2023 terribly with the boot but certainly grew in to it for Wigan.

We need to have one eye on the future, keeping Ratchford on the sidelines means more game time for Wrench / Thewlis & Hayes. It also gives Thewlis & Hayes practice and experience to take on that goal kicking position in future.

True. We need to get Thewlis and Hayes practicing kicking as hard as Ratchford does. Should be obvious decision for Hayes if he wants to make himself indroppable.

Re: Today’s match v London : Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:09 pm  

Wires71 wrote:

All well and good but ... the 2021 Grand Final was decided by 2 points.

Which completely backs up my point.
Thank you for that example.

[Uncle Rico]

Re: Today’s match v London : Tue Mar 19, 2024 7:52 pm  

Whether it earns Ratchford a place I'm not so sure BUT I think underestimating the importance of goal kicking is wrong.

I always want the extras that a Whitehead, a Hesford, or a Hodgson offered as it can create winning margins and skew a score line so that the opposition have to change their approach or accept defeat. Having the extra two then getting the ball back what's not to like? I'm sure that Leeds and Sinfield made the most of it on more than one occasion.

Re: Today’s match v London : Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:24 pm  

In 2023, of the recognised goal kickers (players who kicked 30 or more goals in the season), Ratchford had the highest percentage at 86% with Harry Smith and Tommy Makinson at the bottom of the list at 65% and 63% respectively. If Smith had matched Ratchfords record then he would have landed an additional 31 goals for the season (league, cup and play-offs).

That's an average of 2 points per game.

Re: Today’s match v London : Tue Mar 19, 2024 11:14 pm  

rubber duckie wrote:

Which completely backs up my point.
Thank you for that example.

The point, in case you missed it, was that 2 points can be crucial especially in tight games where defences are on top. we got lucky at Hull KR.

Any how Im not sold on Wrench just yet for other reasons. We are weak defensively on that right edge. We will see.

Re: Today’s match v London : Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:18 am  

Wrench v Ratchford shouldn't be a discussion. If both are fit then Wrench should play every single time. I find it strange that we've been banging on about youth and sticking with them and 5 games in and some are panicking. Yes Wrench has been culpable a few times in defence but he's also scored/assisted tries that Ratchford would have got nowhere near.

These kind of mistakes would've been made by Welsby, Percival, Marshall etc etc when they first got into first team. If Wrench is showing no signs of defensive improvement in 10/15 more games then we might have an issue. He may cost us a game - so be it, we need to crack a few eggs if we're to move on. Ratchford should be emergency back up only.