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Re: Owners : Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:14 pm  
LMS wouldn't have got in our 2011/12 team but so what. Some of our fans are fixated on that squad; there's mention of us still missing Morley and Carvell in another thread, we need to move on. Every Super League Coach (probably not Powell) has the aim to win the Grand Final every year and although the last 4 years haven't been a great standard, Saints have still won it. I bet most Saints fans know this isn't the best team they've ever had but I'd be more than happy to win 4 Grand Finals on the trot even if the rugby wasn't up to much.
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Re: Owners : Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:22 pm  
Saints victory comes from a long term stable approach to planning I think, a long time CEO and Chair both dedicated to the game primarily and also picking young academy players and enhancing the squad with overseas players who fit in rather than who come here to "win big things".

I think looking at players like Lussick is a prime example of this, Saints picked up this player rather than pay for a big name and he helped guide saints to GF victory in the end.

It is all about long term, I don't think there is a big chasm in SL, showing Leeds go from 11th to within 12 points of winning the GF shows that Saints are not that far ahead, but some decisions Wire make for example have been odd when it comes to player recruitment.
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Re: Owners : Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:38 pm  
My posts aren't meant as a criticism of Saints. I have the utmost respect and appreciation for what they have achieved. Ultimately, you can only beat what's in front of you and Saints have done that.

However, it is meant as a criticism of the league as a whole, which is slowly sinking in its own mediocrity, and my responses have mainly been in answer to the original post that suggested Saints have done something special to make themselves so far more successful than any other club - I don't honestly think they have. They have just got themselves organised well, with regards to their academy and their general coaching and squad recruitment and I don't personally think that's 'special', because in professional sport that should be a given. Its just a shame that so many other clubs in the league are still pretty amateur in their set-up, and this is what makes Saints stand out in the end.
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Re: Owners : Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:05 pm  
Dita's Slot Meter wrote:
My posts aren't meant as a criticism of Saints. I have the utmost respect and appreciation for what they have achieved. Ultimately, you can only beat what's in front of you and Saints have done that.

However, it is meant as a criticism of the league as a whole, which is slowly sinking in its own mediocrity, and my responses have mainly been in answer to the original post that suggested Saints have done something special to make themselves so far more successful than any other club - I don't honestly think they have. They have just got themselves organised well, with regards to their academy and their general coaching and squad recruitment and I don't personally think that's 'special', because in professional sport that should be a given. Its just a shame that so many other clubs in the league are still pretty amateur in their set-up, and this is what makes Saints stand out in the end.


I don't think the quality has dropped so much, maybe we aren't getting the top brow Aussies we used to due to the £ and that reduces the quality a bit, but SL is pretty close, Wire almost did saints ealrier in the year.

It is pretty close, Saints have just held their head above the covid parapet a bit more perhaps. I expect a change soon.......
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Re: Owners : Mon Sep 26, 2022 2:25 pm  
If we almost did you that backs up the argument that the 'quality' is dross. Anyway as far as Powell is concerned we actually won that game and it was the highlight of our season, whereas you lot just had your fourth SL trophy in a row to pick up to keep you amused this season.
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Re: Owners : Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:47 pm  
The quality of teams across eras is always hard to judge. You say the 11/12 side you had would beat our team last night, but it's impossible to tell. There has never been a side in SL that defends as well as this team or as consistently. You can see how much they enjoy doing it too, they thrive on it. The overall quality of the overseas players in SL might be dipping slightly, but there's still French, Field, Croft, Sironen, Mata'utia (Our one), Passi etc and they would all get in most sides from any era.

What is perhaps happening is Saints diverted the more open, attacking style of Super League towards the NRL style. Our success is based on defense, line speed and aggression. That doesn't translate to enjoyable RL unless you support Saints. Had it been a Salford v Wigan final it would have maybe been a more entertaining game, but the quality wouldn't have been there.

SL needs to target the play the balls next season. Stop the incessant cheating, pushing forward, holding down, diving etc and just get on with the game properly and in a calm, structured way. That's what makes SL look visibly pathetic. The players will take the ball in, crawl forward, half stand, throw the ball through their legs diagonally then jump on the floor or throw their arms up and ask for a penalty.
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Re: Owners : Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:30 pm  
The peak standard of Super League IMO was 2005. You had three teams who played at an incredibly high standard: Leeds, Saints and Bradford (when they got it together in the last third of the season). Wire finished 4th that year, it was the best Wire team of the Cullen era, and we played some great rugby we just weren't at the same level as those top three.

I honestly think that 2005 Wire team which finished 4th would have been seen today as "the great entertainers". We played fast, open rugby, had some terrific strike players in the backs and a useful pack, a rapidly improving Briers plus Nat Wood. I would fancy them against any current team in SL, and that Cullen team wasn't as good as the TS teams of 5-8 years later.
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Re: Owners : Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:52 pm  
Let's stop deluding ourselves, the standard of SL compared to the NRL and SL of 10 years ago is abysmal.

Saints wouldn't get within 40 points of the Wigan team that beat Brisbane in their own backyard, and outside of Saints and Wigan none of our comp could compete with the very poorest NRL teams.
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Re: Owners : Mon Sep 26, 2022 9:24 pm  
morrisseyisawire wrote:
Let's stop deluding ourselves, the standard of SL compared to the NRL and SL of 10 years ago is abysmal.

Saints wouldn't get within 40 points of the Wigan team that beat Brisbane in their own backyard, and outside of Saints and Wigan none of our comp could compete with the very poorest NRL teams.


Exactly. The fact that this present Saints side ground their way to a relatively dour victory against a Leeds side that aren't anywhere near the levels of their Sinfield-era side, tells you all about the differing standards in today's league.

Sadly, I don't see anything changing anytime soon. The decline in standard is too ingrained now and I don't think the standard of player or coach is out there in the British game to change things in the drastic way needed.
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Re: Owners : Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:27 am  
The World Cup will hammer it home to us just how far behind the English game has fallen
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