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Re: Same old teams in the grand final. Sat Sep 24, 2022 7:39 pm  
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Since the last Saints V Leeds final, the following teams have been in a Grand Final:

Saints, Leeds, Wigan, Wires, Cas, Salford, Catalan.

In addition to that, the following teams have won the LLS:

Saints, Leeds, Wires, Huddersfield, Catalan.

The following have won the Challenge Cup:

Saints, Leeds, Wigan, Wires, Hull, Catalan.

The following have contested the Challenge Cup final:

Salford, Cas, Hull KR, Huddersfield.

We've also seen Hull in the Grand Final in the past, and obviously Bradford's period of success all since the GF era started in 1998.

The last six Grand Finals have had six different runners up too!

There is absolutely no issue whatsoever with the "same old teams in the Grand Final". The issue solely lies with the same old teams WINNING the Grand Final. It's the job of the wide range of "close but no cigar" teams to find a way of changing that, and no club is more culpable of failing to do that than us.
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Re: Same old teams in the grand final. Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:02 pm  
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How many of our underused academy players have been released by the club and gone onto being what you would class as good SL players, Lefty?... I don't see any instances where we have released any and had any regrets from what they then achieved after leaving?

I think it's more to do with us not signing the quality youngsters, rather than them not getting a chance?


Where they move to is one point and a very valid one at that, but it's not the only factor. If you've got lads who have been together for 10-15 years, there's a culture and a pride there to wear the shirt. There's countless Wigan players who have left that system after winning silverware and go on to do nothing. Case in point, Partington, him and smithies were 18 I think and bullied our pack a few years ago, he's now off to Salford.

Yes they have to be at a level, but the psychology of playing with your "brothers" is different to that if playing with some 31 year old kiwi.
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Re: Same old teams in the grand final. Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:11 pm  
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Slightly rhetorical question but, has the current pack performed better than a pack that could've had Cooper, Philbin, G.King, Livett & Currie.

Is Bullock ripping up the trees that King wasn't and is Livett a poor mans Olli holmes?

Has Roberts, Austin, Sandow, Widdop, Williams done better than Gaz O'B would've done alongside either one if them?

It's all hindsight this, I do get that. But i don't think Mr C Sandow gave two flying fuckeroos about Warrington, whereas, maybe, because he came through the system, G O'b would, stood next to lads he's grown up with
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Re: Same old teams in the grand final. Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:56 pm  
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Well I would rather have Cooper here next season, who actually understands the P&B, than some big name Aussie on an executive salary who is only here to top up his pension and will be homesick the moment there's a spot of rain.
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Re: Same old teams in the grand final. Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:32 pm  
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Well I would rather have Cooper here next season, who actually understands the P&B, than some big name Aussie on an executive salary who is only here to top up his pension and will be homesick the moment there's a spot of rain.

#KissKamOut then?
Re: Same old teams in the grand final. Sat Sep 24, 2022 9:57 pm  
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Re youth and catchment.

If you were a top young prospect from Burtonwood, Penketh, Leigh or wherever and had opportunities at Saints, Wigan and Warrington presented to you - would you choose Warrington?
Re: Same old teams in the grand final. Sun Sep 25, 2022 1:27 am  
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Back on the point of the Grand Final, why do Wire fans call Saints the "bottlers"?

You could argue that we have "bottled it" in big games almost as much or even more than Saints have.
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Re: Same old teams in the grand final. Sun Sep 25, 2022 6:47 am  
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It's going to get even harder for us to attract the best local talent now. Leeds have appointed Peter farrell as their first nw based talent scout. We have definitely taken some big steps forward with the academy but we need to keep going. Our academy competing with the big 3s academy is absolutely key to competing with them at first team level their academies mean they have much deeper squads than every other team.
Re: Same old teams in the grand final. Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:15 am  
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In 27 years ONLY 4 teams have won super league .

As of 2022 -

St Helens (10),
Leeds Rhinos (8),
Wigan Warriors (5),
Bradford Bulls (4).
Re: Same old teams in the grand final. Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:59 am  
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Fuzzy-Duck wrote:
In 27 years ONLY 4 teams have won super league .

As of 2022 -

St Helens (10),
Leeds Rhinos (8),
Wigan Warriors (5),
Bradford Bulls (4).


I'd obviously like that stat to be five with us joining the list BUT is it in itself such a poor ratio?

It's comparable with the Premier League with ONLY seven winners in a similar time frame with many more teams going after top spot and that includes one off's Blackburn and Leicester.

I think our problem isn't that we have so few winners It’s more the quality of the product on the pitch across the board is the issue.

Our fan fan base is stagnant media interest is hit and miss at best and the sport is reliant the same punters to support a number of events.

I didn't attend yesterday first I've missed for a dozen years but would a Salford Huddersfield final garnered any more interest? I’m not so sure
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