Re: Price era v last 4 years of TS : Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:39 pm  

Draw I’d say

Smith delivered 4 Monkeys and so did Price

Simon Moran does what he wants, rules ok

Re: Price era v last 4 years of TS : Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:39 pm  

I've got to say, i will be more than a little miffed if Smith actually manages to win the grand final with hull kr when he couldnt do it here with the team he had.

Re: Price era v last 4 years of TS : Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:49 am  

Apologies if I didn't get my point across very well.
My post was not intended to have a dig at Moran, Burrell or anybody else for that matter. Like I said I will be eternally grateful for what Simon Moran has done for this club. I also hoped that Burrell would turn out to be a great move and I was as excited as the next person when we signed Inglis.
My point about Russell was that I found it strange that when he signed he referenced a conversation with Simon Moran.
I just don't see that happening at successful clubs. I don't read every football article so people can feel free to show me an article to prove me wrong but I just can't see Man City signing a player and that player coming out saying I had a good natter with Sheikh Mansour or man utd signing a player and that player saying I had a chat with David Gill.
My personal opinion (may be wide of the mark) is that some signings are not completely signed off by the coach. The article about Russell is probably a poor example because I think Tony Smith was after that type of player.
I know that most coaches in the world would happily welcome Andrew Johns. Not so sure that most would have signed GI after 2 years out.
Like I say this is just my personal opinion that some appointments or contract extensions have been influenced by people above TS and Price and that it is hard to say no when the CEO or owner suggests something especially based on the investment that they have put in.
I dont have any evidence for that so it is just a feeling based on what I hear and read. Would Lee Briers have been appointed or given as long as assistant coach without the longstanding relationship with the club. Did Price go to KF and say "we need a prop and I see Tasi is available, can you see if you can get him here" and then not play him. I know the burrell signing ws low risk from a cap perspective but was it a risk from a "team" perspective.
Sometimes helping out with the best intentions can have unintended consequences. I just don't see organisations operating like that with Guardiola or Ferguson being involved.
So yes, I am a bit of a conspiracy theorist, not quite at the level where I think the US goverment blew up the twin towers.

Re: Price era v last 4 years of TS : Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:49 am  

I would expect the coach to give the CEO a shopping list then it would be up to the CEO to lead the negotiations with the player / agent. During those negotiations you would bring in the support of the coach and, if necessary, the owner to try to convince the player to sign but ultimately the CEO completes the deal.

I would expect the coach to sign-off on the deal (as he is also involved in managing the salary cap) and it could also be that an approach is made to the club by an agent and the CEO goes to the coach as asks 'are you interested in player X?'

Re: Price era v last 4 years of TS : Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:29 am  

Moe syslak wrote:

I've got to say, i will be more than a little miffed if Smith actually manages to win the grand final with hull kr when he couldnt do it here with the team he had.

I think normal service will kick in this Thursday. Catalans won't blow it like we did.

Re: Price era v last 4 years of TS : Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:46 am  

Deus Dat Incrementum wrote:

Apologies if I didn't get my point across very well.
My post was not intended to have a dig at Moran, Burrell or anybody else for that matter. Like I said I will be eternally grateful for what Simon Moran has done for this club. I also hoped that Burrell would turn out to be a great move and I was as excited as the next person when we signed Inglis.
My point about Russell was that I found it strange that when he signed he referenced a conversation with Simon Moran.
I just don't see that happening at successful clubs. I don't read every football article so people can feel free to show me an article to prove me wrong but I just can't see Man City signing a player and that player coming out saying I had a good natter with Sheikh Mansour or man utd signing a player and that player saying I had a chat with David Gill.
My personal opinion (may be wide of the mark) is that some signings are not completely signed off by the coach. The article about Russell is probably a poor example because I think Tony Smith was after that type of player.
I know that most coaches in the world would happily welcome Andrew Johns. Not so sure that most would have signed GI after 2 years out.
Like I say this is just my personal opinion that some appointments or contract extensions have been influenced by people above TS and Price and that it is hard to say no when the CEO or owner suggests something especially based on the investment that they have put in.
I dont have any evidence for that so it is just a feeling based on what I hear and read. Would Lee Briers have been appointed or given as long as assistant coach without the longstanding relationship with the club. Did Price go to KF and say "we need a prop and I see Tasi is available, can you see if you can get him here" and then not play him. I know the burrell signing ws low risk from a cap perspective but was it a risk from a "team" perspective.
Sometimes helping out with the best intentions can have unintended consequences. I just don't see organisations operating like that with Guardiola or Ferguson being involved.
So yes, I am a bit of a conspiracy theorist, not quite at the level where I think the US goverment blew up the twin towers.

I must admit I read it as Simon Moran may have spoken to him to share the vision of the club and where it was planning on going etc. Maybe Russell needed some persuading.

I think one thing we can say for sure is that our signings during this 8 year period have yielded quite a high number of unsuccessful outcomes but the 2021 recruitment appears, with the exception of Inglis to be a lot better than previous years.

2018
Akoala
Goodwin
Roberts
BMM
Mitch Brown
Luis Johnson
Charnley
Pomeroy
Thompson

2019
Austin
Jason Clark
Davis
Tasi
Walker
Mamo
Burrell


2020
Ashton
Brand
Gelling
Widdop
Kibula

2021
Inglis
Mulhearn
Butler
Williams

BOLD indicates players retained for 2022.

Re: Price era v last 4 years of TS : Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:06 am  

Moe syslak wrote:

I've got to say, i will be more than a little miffed if Smith actually manages to win the grand final with hull kr when he couldnt do it here with the team he had.

Dont worry mate it won't happen..if they do see off cats saints will Muller them in final..

Re: Price era v last 4 years of TS : Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:00 am  

Moe syslak wrote:

I've got to say, i will be more than a little miffed if Smith actually manages to win the grand final with hull kr when he couldnt do it here with the team he had.

Let’s be honest. The standard from Wire Wigan Leeds we’re massive compared to now. Any of those 3 teams would absolutely smash SL over the last 5/6 years.

Re: Price era v last 4 years of TS : Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:01 am  

If you ask me, I can’t think of single person better for the C.E.O role than Paul Cullen.

Re: Price era v last 4 years of TS : Wed Sep 29, 2021 6:37 pm  

rubber duckie wrote:

If you ask me, I can’t think of single person better for the C.E.O role than Paul Cullen.

It’s that sort of sentimental nonsense that is one of the reasons the club doesn’t progress like it should.