Re: Tonight’s match v Leeds : Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:15 pm  

Still feeling quite positive today. Those saying we need to respect the ball and build pressure are right; in the first half we did lots of daft things and were trying to score off every pass, even in our own half.

After the break, and especially after we went 26-20 down, we played a more sensible game with the ball and showed confidence in our ability to break them down in the middle. Warrington teams of recent memory start lobbing the ball around like wannabe Harlem Globetrotters: we didn't, and we took our chances when they came.

Re: Tonight’s match v Leeds : Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:46 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote: I just checked with a refereeing friend of mine. This was his reply. "The ball is stolen in the act of scoring which is fine under the new rule changes so would be play on. Then Dwyer goes in touch so it would be a Warrington lateral turnover 10 metres out from the tryline. They could choose to play the ball 10m in, 20m in or halfway." Are we trusting your referee friend to make the right decision here . Would it be play on because there was only one in the tackle? Or is any ball strip in the in-goal area allowed? I honestly can't remember whether Dwyer was the only player in contact at the time or not - I thought there were more involved. Would seem strange if a strip was allowed as part of a group tackle behind the line but not anywhere else. EDIT https://www.rugby-league.com/article/57 ... he--season 2. Ball Steal - The ball can be stolen from the player in possession at any stage prior to a tackle being completed and when there is only one defender effecting the tackle. If there are two or more defenders effecting the tackle and the ball is stolen a penalty should be awarded except if the player in possession is attempting to ground the ball for a try. (note – this changes the previous situation whereby a defender would be penalised for stealing the ball if other defenders had been involved in the tackle then dropped off) Seems madness to me to allow a ball steal in a group tackle behind the try line, why should there be any difference? Not sure what the rule is trying to achieve.I can understand the rule saying no penalty try for a ball steal - its sometimes difficult to find where the fault lies, especially when a player is trying to ground a ball and the defender wrestling the ball to prevent a grounding, but for it not to be penalised seems strange

Rogues Gallery wrote: I just checked with a refereeing friend of mine. This was his reply. "The ball is stolen in the act of scoring which is fine under the new rule changes so would be play on. Then Dwyer goes in touch so it would be a Warrington lateral turnover 10 metres out from the tryline. They could choose to play the ball 10m in, 20m in or halfway." Are we trusting your referee friend to make the right decision here . Would it be play on because there was only one in the tackle? Or is any ball strip in the in-goal area allowed? I honestly can't remember whether Dwyer was the only player in contact at the time or not - I thought there were more involved. Would seem strange if a strip was allowed as part of a group tackle behind the line but not anywhere else. EDIT https://www.rugby-league.com/article/57 ... he--season 2. Ball Steal - The ball can be stolen from the player in possession at any stage prior to a tackle being completed and when there is only one defender effecting the tackle. If there are two or more defenders effecting the tackle and the ball is stolen a penalty should be awarded except if the player in possession is attempting to ground the ball for a try. (note – this changes the previous situation whereby a defender would be penalised for stealing the ball if other defenders had been involved in the tackle then dropped off) Seems madness to me to allow a ball steal in a group tackle behind the try line, why should there be any difference? Not sure what the rule is trying to achieve.I can understand the rule saying no penalty try for a ball steal - its sometimes difficult to find where the fault lies, especially when a player is trying to ground a ball and the defender wrestling the ball to prevent a grounding, but for it not to be penalised seems strange

Re: Tonight’s match v Leeds : Mon Aug 02, 2021 1:17 pm  

I'd assume (the ball steal when over the line) is more to do with the defender being able to make a play at preventing the ball being grounded, which we often see, but then also ensures the attacker doesn't surrender the ball in order to get the penalty..

Re: Tonight’s match v Leeds : Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:20 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

I just checked with a refereeing friend of mine. This was his reply.
"The ball is stolen in the act of scoring which is fine under the new rule changes so would be play on. Then Dwyer goes in touch so it would be a Warrington lateral turnover 10 metres out from the tryline. They could choose to play the ball 10m in, 20m in or halfway."

Surely the question relevant to last night is what happens if Dwyer steals the ball four on one after the ball is grounded by Charnley.

Answer - a try is awarded and Dwyer throws his arms up in the air and stamps the ground like a spoilt four year old.

Re: Tonight’s match v Leeds : Mon Aug 02, 2021 3:47 pm  

shinymcshine wrote:

I'd assume (the ball steal when over the line) is more to do with the defender being able to make a play at preventing the ball being grounded, which we often see, but then also ensures the attacker doesn't surrender the ball in order to get the penalty..

That's up to the referee to determine what is a genuine strip and what is an attacking player releasing the ball - just as they do in general play?

The defender also wraps the ball up in the field of play to prevent an offload, I'm struggling to see why there needs to be a different rule tbh.

Re: Tonight’s match v Leeds : Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:01 pm  

lefty goldblatt wrote:

20 posts, so far.

Almost 40 posts, now, almost all pointing to the notion that Hicks is on our payroll, including reference to Wembley 2019

We really do seem to be getting under their scouse skin

Re: Tonight’s match v Leeds : Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:23 am  

Alffi_7 wrote: Are we trusting your referee friend to make the right decision here . Would it be play on because there was only one in the tackle? Or is any ball strip in the in-goal area allowed? I honestly can't remember whether Dwyer was the only player in contact at the time or not - I thought there were more involved. Would seem strange if a strip was allowed as part of a group tackle behind the line but not anywhere else. EDIT https://www.rugby-league.com/article/57 ... he--season Seems madness to me to allow a ball steal in a group tackle behind the try line, why should there be any difference? Not sure what the rule is trying to achieve.I can understand the rule saying no penalty try for a ball steal - its sometimes difficult to find where the fault lies, especially when a player is trying to ground a ball and the defender wrestling the ball to prevent a grounding, but for it not to be penalised seems strange Try then, albeit a penalty try. They all count.

Alffi_7 wrote: Are we trusting your referee friend to make the right decision here . Would it be play on because there was only one in the tackle? Or is any ball strip in the in-goal area allowed? I honestly can't remember whether Dwyer was the only player in contact at the time or not - I thought there were more involved. Would seem strange if a strip was allowed as part of a group tackle behind the line but not anywhere else. EDIT https://www.rugby-league.com/article/57 ... he--season Seems madness to me to allow a ball steal in a group tackle behind the try line, why should there be any difference? Not sure what the rule is trying to achieve.I can understand the rule saying no penalty try for a ball steal - its sometimes difficult to find where the fault lies, especially when a player is trying to ground a ball and the defender wrestling the ball to prevent a grounding, but for it not to be penalised seems strange Try then, albeit a penalty try. They all count.

Re: Tonight’s match v Leeds : Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:48 am  

lefty goldblatt wrote:

Almost 40 posts, now, almost all pointing to the notion that Hicks is on our payroll, including reference to Wembley 2019

We really do seem to be getting under their scouse skin

Bizarre as we “aren’t rivals�. There is more discussion about us yesterday than there was about their own upcoming match.
I have tried to reason with them in the past but while some are reasonable a fair view remind me of the old saying
“ never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience�.

Re: Tonight’s match v Leeds : Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:56 am  

Why do people complain that Saints fans are obsessed with Wire, when there's always constant commentary on here about what people are saying on the redvee forum? Do you monitor every other club's message board, or is it just Saints?

It's like when you find yourself repeatedly looking at somebody's facebook or instagram. You can bet you fancy that person big time. You're obsessed, and the likelihood is they aren't into you

The only reason people here care so much about Saints, is because they win things and we're jealous. If we started winning Grand Finals and Saints got relegated, pretty soon nobody here would care about what was said on the Saints messageboard, just like nobody checks up on the Widnes messageboard where they also probably have threads dedicated to slagging us off.

Re: Tonight’s match v Leeds : Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:19 pm  

sally cinnamon wrote:

Why do people complain that Saints fans are obsessed with Wire, when there's always constant commentary on here about what people are saying on the redvee forum? Do you monitor every other club's message board, or is it just Saints?

It's like when you find yourself repeatedly looking at somebody's facebook or instagram. You can bet you fancy that person big time. You're obsessed, and the likelihood is they aren't into you

The only reason people here care so much about Saints, is because they win things and we're jealous. If we started winning Grand Finals and Saints got relegated, pretty soon nobody here would care about what was said on the Saints messageboard, just like nobody checks up on the Widnes messageboard where they also probably have threads dedicated to slagging us off.

Very true. Plus Wire and Saints are very similar fan bases. Very close geographically and both clubs supporters grew up in the shadow of an a dominant local rival (Widnes then Wigan). Saints had our breakout in the late 90s when we started winning titles, burst of very cocky fans with no concept of what went before or how to act turned up. Warrington will be exactly the same when the titles eventually arrive. Saints fans definitely fear Warrington, easily the biggest threat to our mini-spell of dominance and our chances of future trophies generally. Wire fans are resentful of our success, although few very from either side would admit that.