Re: Wigan 28th : Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:07 pm  

sally cinnamon wrote: RL players will be more susceptible to small margins that affect their lung capacity and general cardio fitness, than the general population. It's like the average non athlete with a desk job could have a hamstring strain and be back at work the next day whereas for a RL player that might be multiple weeks out. In the NFL last year there were a number of players who had covid, just missed a game or two and then came back, but were significantly below par for the rest of the season: Cam Newton, Miles Garrett had a noticeable difference in the before/after covid, Zeke Elliot had covid in the off season and had an unusual down year. Ryquelle Armstead had covid before the season and was hospitalised twice, he ended up missing the full season and was cut. He got picked up by another team who released him a few weeks later, so who knows if his career is done at age 24. If you were a Super League conditioner and charged with putting out a team that can run hard for 80 minutes, then you wouldn't want to expose the players to a disease that can lead to damaged lungs. That is a hell of a lot of circumstantial evidence. From the study below, 5.8% of people with Covid reported long-term symptoms, with 2% of those being severe. The percentage is higher in over 35's. So it's would be reasonably unlikely that a player from the small group that had it would have long-term symptoms. Very unlikely for multiple players from the same team to have long-term covid. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new- ... long-covid

sally cinnamon wrote: RL players will be more susceptible to small margins that affect their lung capacity and general cardio fitness, than the general population. It's like the average non athlete with a desk job could have a hamstring strain and be back at work the next day whereas for a RL player that might be multiple weeks out. In the NFL last year there were a number of players who had covid, just missed a game or two and then came back, but were significantly below par for the rest of the season: Cam Newton, Miles Garrett had a noticeable difference in the before/after covid, Zeke Elliot had covid in the off season and had an unusual down year. Ryquelle Armstead had covid before the season and was hospitalised twice, he ended up missing the full season and was cut. He got picked up by another team who released him a few weeks later, so who knows if his career is done at age 24. If you were a Super League conditioner and charged with putting out a team that can run hard for 80 minutes, then you wouldn't want to expose the players to a disease that can lead to damaged lungs. That is a hell of a lot of circumstantial evidence. From the study below, 5.8% of people with Covid reported long-term symptoms, with 2% of those being severe. The percentage is higher in over 35's. So it's would be reasonably unlikely that a player from the small group that had it would have long-term symptoms. Very unlikely for multiple players from the same team to have long-term covid. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new- ... long-covid

Re: Wigan 28th : Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:09 pm  

Good to see the Anzacs are over in Tokyo & competing well.

Re: Wigan 28th : Sun Jul 25, 2021 6:20 pm  

Jack Napier wrote: That is a hell of a lot of circumstantial evidence. From the study below, 5.8% of people with Covid reported long-term symptoms, with 2% of those being severe. The percentage is higher in over 35's. So it's would be reasonably unlikely that a player from the small group that had it would have long-term symptoms. Very unlikely for multiple players from the same team to have long-term covid. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new- ... long-covid We're not talking about long covid here, that's people in desk jobs reporting brain fog, being unable to walk up stairs without being fatigued. I'm talking about whether it affects the ability of a professional athlete to maintain their fitness over 80 minutes in a high-intensity sport like rugby league. Warrington Wolves aren't in the business of preventing long covid, if you're worried about long term health complications then don't play rugby league, loads of players are going to have problems with arthritis, complications from head injury and concussions etc. The players have already signed up for the and know broadly what they are getting themselves in for - like the NFL players do. The issue here is about preparing a team to win where elite cardio fitness matters and players who can't maintain that are a potential liability if they can't compete for 80 minutes. If getting covid compromises a player's ability to be at the same level over the 4 to 8 weeks after catching it, its a problem. If covid hits multiple players its a significant problem, especially if it hits your best players. If we're playing Saints in the Grand Final and 18-16 up with 4 minutes to go with Saints getting repeated sets on our line and a couple of key players are blowing out their booties because they are 3 weeks out from having covid then its a problem for us, even if long term their general health will be fine.

Jack Napier wrote: That is a hell of a lot of circumstantial evidence. From the study below, 5.8% of people with Covid reported long-term symptoms, with 2% of those being severe. The percentage is higher in over 35's. So it's would be reasonably unlikely that a player from the small group that had it would have long-term symptoms. Very unlikely for multiple players from the same team to have long-term covid. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new- ... long-covid We're not talking about long covid here, that's people in desk jobs reporting brain fog, being unable to walk up stairs without being fatigued. I'm talking about whether it affects the ability of a professional athlete to maintain their fitness over 80 minutes in a high-intensity sport like rugby league. Warrington Wolves aren't in the business of preventing long covid, if you're worried about long term health complications then don't play rugby league, loads of players are going to have problems with arthritis, complications from head injury and concussions etc. The players have already signed up for the and know broadly what they are getting themselves in for - like the NFL players do. The issue here is about preparing a team to win where elite cardio fitness matters and players who can't maintain that are a potential liability if they can't compete for 80 minutes. If getting covid compromises a player's ability to be at the same level over the 4 to 8 weeks after catching it, its a problem. If covid hits multiple players its a significant problem, especially if it hits your best players. If we're playing Saints in the Grand Final and 18-16 up with 4 minutes to go with Saints getting repeated sets on our line and a couple of key players are blowing out their booties because they are 3 weeks out from having covid then its a problem for us, even if long term their general health will be fine.

Re: Wigan 28th : Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:00 pm  

Oh don't worry in that scenario King would fake medial ligament damage and we'd get our breath back.

Re: Wigan 28th : Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:04 pm  

Saints and Cas have called their games off this week as well.

A two break after a cup final must be hugely frustrating for them, as everyone knows you win every game in the couple of weeks after a cup final

Re: Wigan 28th : Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:06 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

Saints and Cas have called their games off this week as well.

A two break after a cup final must be hugely frustrating for them, as everyone knows you win ever game in the coupe of weeks after a cup final

Awaiting Saddened response to this, that Wembley final must have taken a real lot out of both teams, I mean it was very warm. But in all honesty it’s becoming farcical now the amount of games being lost it’s just helping the Aussies and New Zealander’s validate the excuse for not coming over.

Re: Wigan 28th : Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:34 pm  

karetaker wrote:

Awaiting Saddened response to this, that Wembley final must have taken a real lot out of both teams, I mean it was very warm. But in all honesty it’s becoming farcical now the amount of games being lost it’s just helping the Aussies and New Zealander’s validate the excuse for not coming over.

I’d send the WHO (not the band) over to Cas to investigate what must be the Ponty Carlo variant, as that particular strain seems to have run through the Castleford club about four times over now. It will go away when you ask nicely but only for a week or so and then it keeps returning, especially when you feel like your season is over.

The Parr variant doesn’t rear it’s head as often and is a less serious strain of the virus as it doesn’t impact people in the run up to important events and has excellent manners, as it will let you get the big event and subsequent session out of the way before coming calling. The fact you can predict the timing of the Parr variant is an excellent feature. Sadly the Parr variant does like to hang around the All Stars rugby league training camp, so understandably you wouldn’t want to send your players there.

Re: Wigan 28th : Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:02 am  

Saints have to play 6 games to qualify for the play offs. They're going to be very busy in the next few weeks.

Re: Wigan 28th : Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:19 am  

Lord Tony Smith wrote:

Saints have to play 6 games to qualify for the play offs. They're going to be very busy in the next few weeks.

The rules were changed last minute last year, with Catalans in the playoffs despite being under the threshold.

No way Saints miss the playoffs, even if they don't qualify through games played.

Re: Wigan 28th : Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:26 am  

sally cinnamon wrote:

If we're playing Saints in the Grand Final and 18-16 up with 4 minutes to go with Saints getting repeated sets on our line and a couple of key players are blowing out their booties because they are 3 weeks out from having covid then its a problem for us, even if long term their general health will be fine.

Yeah, good point to be fair. If Covid wipes you out then you're going to lose a lot of strength and fitness, very quickly. Can take a long time to build that back up again.

With two outbreaks (one this year, one last) already and all of our players being double-jabbed (probably) by the time the playoffs come along, hopefully it won't be an issue.