Re: Holmes & Matautia : Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:11 am  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

If we judge someone like a peak Inglis or Jonathan Davies as world class centres & the likes of Keith Senior or Allan Bateman as 'good' centres, then is there anyone in SL right now who isn't above the level of bang average?

I'd reckon not, so if Matautia is bang average then he'll probably be fine in the grand scheme of things.

I think I made this point a couple of pages back on this thread.

Current centres in super league with a bit of X factor and we’ll above average = Percival and King. Both can produce a little bit of magic and King certainly has been doing it for a couple of seasons on that left edge combining with Currie, Widdop and Ratchford.

After that you’ve got Naiqama (above average) and ???. That’s about it. Hurrell is good near the line but his defence seems to cancel out his efforts in attack. And he’s on a marquee salary too so that rules him out.

If Mata’utia is the only available option of an average bunch of centres, so be it. At least he’s working under Powell who has a reputation of getting the best out of average ability players.

Re: Holmes & Matautia : Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:11 am  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

If we judge someone like a peak Inglis or Jonathan Davies as world class centres & the likes of Keith Senior or Allan Bateman as 'good' centres, then is there anyone in SL right now who isn't above the level of bang average?

I'd reckon not, so if Matautia is bang average then he'll probably be fine in the grand scheme of things.

I think I made this point a couple of pages back on this thread.

Current centres in super league with a bit of X factor and we’ll above average = Percival and King. Both can produce a little bit of magic and King certainly has been doing it for a couple of seasons on that left edge combining with Currie, Widdop and Ratchford.

After that you’ve got Naiqama (above average) and ???. That’s about it. Hurrell is good near the line but his defence seems to cancel out his efforts in attack. And he’s on a marquee salary too so that rules him out.

If Mata’utia is the only available option of an average bunch of centres, so be it. At least he’s working under Powell who has a reputation of getting the best out of average ability players.

Re: Holmes & Matautia : Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:37 pm  

nottinghamtiger wrote:

I wouldn't know if Matautia is a better centre than Mamo, because I've only seen Mamo play at right centre a couple of times so am therefore unable to compare them.
Similarly, you didn't see Matautia's performances against Hull KR, Leeds and Hull FC this season. If you had, your comparison may be very different!

Neither do I, that’s why I said in my original post ‘Mamo for Mata’utia is a tricky one’
I was simply comparing the two from what I’ve seen.

Re: Holmes & Matautia : Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:14 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

If we judge someone like a peak Inglis or Jonathan Davies as world class centres & the likes of Keith Senior or Allan Bateman as 'good' centres, then is there anyone in SL right now who isn't above the level of bang average?

I'd reckon not, so if Matautia is bang average then he'll probably be fine in the grand scheme of things.

It just shows how poor SL centres are.
I would put King, Naiquama and Percival on a par and arguably the best in SL at the moment, but would take Senior, Davies or Bateman (or Jamie Lyon or Matt Gidley) over any of them.

Looking at that list, it just shows how well Saints recruited.

Mata'utia has to prove his worth for me. (Hopefully in the same way that Chris Hicks did!)

Re: Holmes & Matautia : Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:25 pm  

fez1 wrote:

It just shows how poor SL centres are.
I would put King, Naiquama and Percival on a par and arguably the best in SL at the moment, but would take Senior, Davies or Bateman (or Jamie Lyon or Matt Gidley) over any of them.

Looking at that list, it just shows how well Saints recruited.

Mata'utia has to prove his worth for me. (Hopefully in the same way that Chris Hicks did!)

The standard of centres in Super League at the moment is nothing short of shocking. Its no wonder King was in such demand as there are slim pickings out there. Ryan Atkins was head and shoulders above anybody playing centre at the minute,

Re: Holmes & Matautia : Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:40 pm  

So our 2 new signings and our new coach are in action tonight,should be an interesting watch.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Holmes & Matautia : Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:49 pm  

Percival's overrated

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: Holmes & Matautia : Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:26 pm  

Well that wasn't bad

Re: Holmes & Matautia : Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:29 pm  

Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:

Percival's overrated

I’ve always preferred Oliver Gildart to Percival.

Re: Holmes & Matautia : Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:38 pm  

Mata’utia has had a couple of nice touches so far the Wakey game.