RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
22 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!
WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - The whole Game is on its booty. How can we change it?

davids wrote:
davids Strong-running second rower
Strong-running second rower

Joined: Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:39 am
Posts: 261
Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:
Worst case scenario in your idea then, you're looking ar 36 rounds/weeks for a completed season, where are we putting the 2nd cup competition in, after the challenge cup?


I count over 40 fixtures for Wigan in 1991-92 (I pick out them because they won most stuff in the season I started watching):
https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/seas ... mmary.html
So you could argue that that many fixtures is problematic, but it certainly used to happen, and squads are bigger now.

I would have the Regal Trophy or equivalent back. It could satisfy those above who want to see more free on terrestrial TV games to get people interested in the sport. And, as I said, having another cup in there gives more chance for supporters to see their team lift a trophy. Even in 1990-1991, when Wigan were dominant and we had a mediocre but hard-working team, we won that trophy.

The following year, Widnes beat Leeds in the final when Wigan and Saints were the teams scrapping it out for the league.
Fantastic Mr Catpiss 100% League Network
100% League Network

Joined: Fri Mar 01, 2002 7:35 pm
Posts: 37744
davids wrote:
I count over 40 fixtures for Wigan in 1991-92 (I pick out them because they won most stuff in the season I started watching):
https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/seas ... mmary.html
So you could argue that that many fixtures is problematic, but it certainly used to happen, and squads are bigger now.

I would have the Regal Trophy or equivalent back. It could satisfy those above who want to see more free on terrestrial TV games to get people interested in the sport. And, as I said, having another cup in there gives more chance for supporters to see their team lift a trophy. Even in 1990-1991, when Wigan were dominant and we had a mediocre but hard-working team, we won that trophy.

The following year, Widnes beat Leeds in the final when Wigan and Saints were the teams scrapping it out for the league.

Squads are smaller now, the game is a million times tougher than it was in 1991.

Theres too many games now, short turnarounds are rough, playing midweek games would be suicide, we tried that in 1999, it was horrendous.

davids wrote:
davids Strong-running second rower
Strong-running second rower

Joined: Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:39 am
Posts: 261
Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:
Squads are smaller now, the game is a million times tougher than it was in 1991.

Theres too many games now, short turnarounds are rough, playing midweek games would be suicide, we tried that in 1999, it was horrendous.


Then I don't know. But two things make the modern game boring for me (compared to what it was) and they are:
- only two cups to win each season
- playing the same teams up to three times a season in the league

User avatarwire2004 wrote:
wire2004 User avatar
Cheeky half-back
Cheeky half-back

Joined: Mon Apr 17, 2006 7:26 pm
Posts: 586
Location: Latchford

I did contemplate 3 tiers of 16. But to put the regal equivalent as well as the challenge cup I suggested. Your looking at 43 games. Thus why I went with 4/5 tiers of 10. 34 games and less congested. I tried to strike a balance as well as thinking of how we can bring the game back.
Maybe 3 up. 3 down maybe a little.too much. But certainly 2 up 2 down can work. It freshens up the comp each year. Plus I also purposely did not put a grand final in. For the sheer element that your working your booty off for 23 weeks. That's where the league should be won.
And to who it was who thought I was thinking about warrington and the big teams. Quite the contrary. I want a competative league structure from top to bottom. Enabling teams like featherstone. Halifax. Dewsbury and bradford to come up to the big leagues and be competitive with the other teams. Similarly. If wigan. Saints. Leeds. Wire or hull have a shocking season. There is a real threat of relegation from the top league. There was genuine intrest in 2008 I think it was when wigan were bottom of the league half way through the season or whenever it was. Yes. They came back and finnished 8th. But there was genuine intrest in would wigan be relegated. That's the aim. A competitive league structure from top to bottom.

I have other views. Like for example. Make a 2nd, 3rd 4th 5th and 6th package. No 1 broadcaster can have more than 2 packages. And atleast 3 packages (1 from each batch of 2) must go to terrestrial channels. More eyeballs on the game with more broadcasters and the packages are split evenly between the league tiers. So saints, wire, wigan etc will have 6 games each in each tier. And similarly. Oldham or dewsbury have a game atleast in each tier. So in effect. We can have on tv.
Thursday night
Friday night
Saturday 12.30pm
Saturday 3pm
Saturday 6pm
Saturday 8.30pm
Sunday 1pm
Sunday 3.30pm
Sunday 6pm.
Monday night
Tuesday night
Wednesday night

Yes. I may of overdone it and we could lose 1 of the packages so only 10 games are shown per week. But it gives exposure to each tier and each team.
the original Wire2004 from Wolf Web.
No Immitations.
No Fakes.
The one and only Origional.

[color=#0000FF]135 + years of top flight rugby. The Only Team in the world with that honnor... Or Until someone Proves Otherwise...[/color]

User avatarUncle Rico wrote:
Uncle Rico User avatar
100% League Network
100% League Network

Joined: Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:24 am
Posts: 4856
Location: Stuck in 1982
Fantastic Mr Catpiss wrote:
Squads are smaller now, the game is a million times tougher than it was in 1991.

Theres too many games now, short turnarounds are rough, playing midweek games would be suicide, we tried that in 1999, it was horrendous.


I'm not so sure about an additional cup competition but I do think that in an ideal world additional fixtures via an expanded league structure would be beneficial as they could be planned rather than 'burdening' successful teams or providing them with additional income beyond prize money.

I would suggest that exposure and the lack of a structured international competition in comparison to Union (by design and ineptitude) is also holding us back together with our demographic and as far as our own sporting fan base is concerned loop fixtures.

There are problems with self interested clubs, depth and quality of the player pool and genuine appetite but could we reassess the league over say 5 years to get us up to a fully funded 16 team via 14?

Could we lengthen the season dates to accommodate this programme even by a month giving players adequate time to recover? Apart from welfare this would also even out income for all. If your not in the play offs then your club is shut down for 6 months and that's too long IMO

Top and bottom for me I love the sport (so I'm not the top target audience) but even I'm getting weary of playing Wigan 'familiarity breeding contempt'.
Fantastic Mr Catpiss 100% League Network
100% League Network

Joined: Fri Mar 01, 2002 7:35 pm
Posts: 37744
Re the Wigan issue, there's 2 parts that have played into that.

Challenge cup and magic weekend.

Magic, very straightforward they don't bother to rotate fixtures, it's lazy and boring, I got this way with saints and also widnes(maybe not beating widnes)

At the same time we've drawn Wigan a few times in the cup, now I'm not suggesting this is rigged but it has become a running gag. The likelihood though is down to them changing the rules a few years ago for non play off sl teams coming in a round early. They take out at least half of the lower league teams so when the next round is done, it's practically an all sl cup competition.

I think they need to tinker with this, possibly even seed it, make all superleague teams play away if you get a lower league side, that gives us a new place yo visit and gives the lower club the chance of a payday. And a big match experience (even if it is a kicking).

User avatarUncle Rico wrote:
Uncle Rico User avatar
100% League Network
100% League Network

Joined: Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:24 am
Posts: 4856
Location: Stuck in 1982
I do like the idea of an away day in the cup, hopefully to a new ground/town and preferably accessible by train with a plethora of decent real ale pubs on tap ha ha

davids wrote:
davids Strong-running second rower
Strong-running second rower

Joined: Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:39 am
Posts: 261
Uncle Rico wrote:
I'm not so sure about an additional cup competition but I do think that in an ideal world additional fixtures via an expanded league structure would be beneficial as they could be planned rather than 'burdening' successful teams or providing them with additional income beyond prize money.


Well, the whole reason I suggested an additional cup was because I don't want to see more meaningless league fixtures. Teams end up going through the motions to end in a playoff place or stave off relegation - too many dead rubbers when you don't get the main prize for coming top any more.

Cup rugby is do-or-die, especially a cup like the RT was. You had big clubs (see the Widnes and Leeds example above, 1991-92 who were already realistically out of the league running) going for it, you had clubs like Warrington and Bradford the season before who were fairly poor sides but knew if they could string 4 wins together in a cup competition it would be a memorable season for them and their fans.

shinymcshine wrote:
shinymcshine Free-scoring winger
Free-scoring winger

Joined: Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:45 pm
Posts: 1934
On a more immediate note :

How will clubs adapt the matchday experience when fans, who've been away for over 12 months, return to the stadiums ?

If it's a return to overexcited beer drinkers hurling abuse and spilling beer around I'm not sure some will enjoy the return, having been in relative isolation for so long. Furthermore how will they appeal to those that have got use to money saved by not going each week, and attract new fans who might be desperate for a new experience ?

Okay, it's RL, I'm sure the planning is just to dust off where things were pre-lockdown and carry on as it was, but there is a chance for change now if they took it.

User avatarSmiffy27 wrote:
Smiffy27 User avatar
Free-scoring winger
Free-scoring winger

Joined: Thu Jul 22, 2010 9:40 am
Posts: 1611
Location: Appleton Thorn
shinymcshine wrote:
On a more immediate note :

How will clubs adapt the matchday experience when fans, who've been away for over 12 months, return to the stadiums ?

If it's a return to overexcited beer drinkers hurling abuse and spilling beer around I'm not sure some will enjoy the return, having been in relative isolation for so long. Furthermore how will they appeal to those that have got use to money saved by not going each week, and attract new fans who might be desperate for a new experience ?

Okay, it's RL, I'm sure the planning is just to dust off where things were pre-lockdown and carry on as it was, but there is a chance for change now if they took it.



I share your concerns with "getting back to normal". Do the careful ones amongst us look forward to popping to the loo at half time and shuffling 6 inches away from the next man. I don't really think we will get back to "normal" for a very long time.
PreviousNext

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: karetaker, NickyKiss, Smiffy27, St Helens Wolf, West Walian and 178 guests

Quick Reply



Subject:
Message:

   
Please note using apple style emoji's can result in posting failures.

Return to Warrington Wolves


POSTSONLINEMEMBERSRECORDTEAM
5,186,1891,35178,6789,567LOGIN
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.
When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
YOU HAVE RL CHAT OFF
RLFANS Match Centre
Fri 30th Jul
NRL
LIVE
Wests16-18NZ Warriors
NRL
LIVE
Brisbane37-18NQL Cowboys
Thu 29th Jul
NRL RND: 20 Sydney28-0Parramatta
SLRND: 16 Catalans40-20Wakefield
SL RND: 16 Hull FC12-22Leeds
Wed 28th Jul
SL RND: 16 Warrington21-8Wigan
Sun 25th Jul
CH RND: 14 Sheffield28-40Halifax
CH RND: 14 Batley42-12Newcastle
CH RND: 14 Bradford30-36Featherstone
CH RND: 14 Whitehaven28-24Oldham
CH RND: 14 York46-10Swinton
L1 RND: 11 Barrow40-12Coventry
L1 RND: 11 Hunslet20-20Keighley
NRL RND: 19 St.George10-32Gold Coast
NRL RND: 19 Canterbury24-44Cronulla
Sat 24th Jul
NRL RND: 19 Souths60-22NZ Warriors
NRL RND: 19 Manly44-24Wests
NRL RND: 19 Penrith18-12Brisbane
L1 RND: 12 LondonS46-30West Wales
SL RND: 13 Catalans32-30Hull KR
This is an inplay table and positions can change as matches are in play.
National Rugby League 2021 ROUND : 18
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Melbourne 17 632 198 434 30
Penrith 17 493 179 314 30
Souths 17 503 346 157 28
Parramatta 17 474 255 219 26
Sydney 17 453 335 118 22
Manly 17 485 354 131 20
St.George 17 358 382 -24 16
Cronulla 17 326 394 -68 14
 
Canberra 17 347 421 -74 14
Newcastle 17 283 420 -137 14
Gold Coast 17 394 468 -74 12
Wests 17 372 502 -130 12
NQL Cowboys 17 324 527 -203 12
NZ Warriors 17 333 426 -93 10
Brisbane 17 282 542 -260 8
Canterbury 17 212 522 -310 4
This is an inplay table and positions can change as matches are in play.
Betfred Super League XXVI ROUND : 16
 PLDFADIFFPTSDIFFWP%
Catalans 15 459 246 213 28 186.59 93.33
St.Helens 12 286 96 190 20 297.92 83.33
Warrington 14 429 221 208 21 194.12 75
Wigan 16 255 289 -34 20 88.24 62.50
Hull FC 13 298 237 61 15 125.74 57.69
Hull KR 11 271 244 27 12 111.07 54.55
 
Leeds 15 354 263 91 16 134.60 53.33
Castleford 14 251 354 -103 12 70.90 42.86
Salford 14 237 405 -168 8 58.52 28.57
Huddersfield 15 244 318 -74 8 76.73 26.67
Wakefield 16 279 394 -115 8 70.81 25
Leigh 13 212 508 -296 0 41.73 0
This is an inplay table and positions can change as matches are in play.
Betfred Championship 2021 ROUND : 14
 PLDFADIFFPTSDIFFWP%
Toulouse 9 433 88 345 18 492.05 100
Featherstone 13 573 166 407 26 345.18 100
Halifax 14 398 199 199 20 200 71.43
Bradford 13 354 315 39 18 112.38 69.23
LondonB 13 374 337 37 17 110.98 65.38
Batley 14 370 286 84 18 129.37 64.29
 
Widnes 13 307 344 -37 11 89.24 42.31
Newcastle 13 284 400 -116 11 71 42.31
Sheffield 14 313 413 -100 11 75.79 39.29
Whitehaven 14 277 396 -119 11 69.95 39.29
York 14 345 327 18 10 105.50 35.71
Dewsbury 13 197 379 -182 9 51.98 34.62
Oldham 13 190 470 -280 4 40.43 15.38
Swinton 14 234 529 -295 0 44.23 0
This is an inplay table and positions can change as matches are in play.
Betfred League One 2021 ROUND : 10
 PLDFADIFFPTSDIFFWP%
Barrow 10 342 150 192 17 228 85
Workington 9 334 158 176 15 211.39 83.33
Doncaster 9 308 189 119 14 162.96 77.78
Keighley 10 348 239 109 10 145.61 50
Rochdale 10 279 280 -1 10 99.64 50
Crusaders 10 278 318 -40 10 87.42 50
 
Coventry 8 204 240 -36 8 85 50
Hunslet 10 268 257 11 8 104.28 40
LondonS 8 154 292 -138 2 52.74 12.50
West Wales 10 122 514 -392 0 23.74 0
This is an inplay table and positions can change as matches are in play.
Betfred Womens Super League 2021 ROUND : 9
 PLDFADIFFPTSDIFFWP%
LeedsW 7 364 38 326 14 957.89 100
St.HelensW 7 370 36 334 12 1,027.78 85.71
WiganW 6 222 64 158 10 346.88 83.33
YorkW 6 186 102 84 8 182.35 66.67
CastlefordW 6 166 96 70 8 172.92 66.67
BradfordW 8 158 264 -106 6 59.85 37.50
 
Hudds W 7 104 288 -184 4 36.11 28.57
Wire W 8 150 334 -184 4 44.91 25
FeatherstoneW 8 122 338 -216 4 36.09 25
WakefieldW 7 50 332 -282 0 15.06 0
RLFANS Recent Posts




X