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Re: Widdop’s family : Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:21 pm  
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It's easily sorted tho. A players contract has a value we should agree to pay 1 6th of the contract value the first year 2 6ths the second and 3 6ths the final year of contract....theres no incentive to stay otherwise

If that doesn’t fall foul of the Salary cap it would certainly complicate it!
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Re: Widdop’s family : Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:52 pm  
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What is this. The 4th player in the last 5 years who is playing the home sickness card.

Sorry. You signed a contract. Honor your contract. Or pay the outstanding years wages you would receive to break your contract from us. Plus compensate us for the time we have to waste on finding a replacement.

I'm sick of players who think they can sign a 3 year contact. For them to break it within a year. How can we plan for the future next year. 2 years 3 years in advance if the player that we are building the team around decides to bugger off.


In RL contracts have always been broken, torn up, ended by mutual agreement, call it what you will. To me, they've always appeared to benefit the player more than the club. Players have decided they want out, for whatever reason, but I cannot recall any club digging their heels in and refusing to release an individual*. It's gone on for many, many years, and each club has had their share of difficulties from it. Yes, we've had a number of Australians in very recent times that just haven't worked out, so you would have thought that Wire would have properly sounded out Widdop before terms were agreed. However, in this case the additional factor of Covid 19 has to be considered. Of course there are numerous overseas players in SL, some may have family here, or they could have all gone home too, for all we know. If Widdop's family have gone home because they would be less at risk in Australia than the UK, who could blame them. Individuals have the right to make decisions as for whom and where they work, and in RL such matters are not dealt with by tribunal* when there's breakdown. This I would assume, is down to the thinking that nobody would be keen to sign if we took a hard line over an individual such as Widdop. It's been difficult enough to bring quality to the HJS (especially in the prop department) and taking Widdop, who has gone home to catch up with his wife and kids, to a tribunal would be far from helpful to our future recruitment, within both the UK and overseas.

*One I do recall was with the late David Myers, who we signed from Widnes, but claimed he was on Wigan's books. In the end it was ruled he was a Warrington player, who played a handful of games for us before being sold to Wigan, for a fee.
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Re: Widdop’s family : Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:59 pm  
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In RL contracts have always been broken, torn up, ended by mutual agreement, call it what you will. To me, they've always appeared to benefit the player more than the club. Players have decided they want out, for whatever reason, but I cannot recall any club digging their heels in and refusing to release an individual*. It's gone on for many, many years, and each club has had their share of difficulties from it. Yes, we've had a number of Australians in very recent times that just haven't worked out, so you would have thought that Wire would have properly sounded out Widdop before terms were agreed. However, in this case the additional factor of Covid 19 has to be considered. Of course there are numerous overseas players in SL, some may have family here, or they could have all gone home too, for all we know. If Widdop's family have gone home because they would be less at risk in Australia than the UK, who could blame them. Individuals have the right to make decisions as for whom and where they work, and in RL such matters are not dealt with by tribunal* when there's breakdown. This I would assume, is down to the thinking that nobody would be keen to sign if we took a hard line over an individual such as Widdop. It's been difficult enough to bring quality to the HJS (especially in the prop department) and taking Widdop, who has gone home to catch up with his wife and kids, to a tribunal would be far from helpful to our future recruitment, within both the UK and overseas.

*One I do recall was with the late David Myers, who we signed from Widnes, but claimed he was on Wigan's books. In the end it was ruled he was a Warrington player, who played a handful of games for us before being sold to Wigan, for a fee.

We also benefitted from Carvell changing his mind with Hull if memory serves me.
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Re: Widdop’s family : Sat Nov 28, 2020 7:27 pm  
Interesting question - have we signed more unsettled/homesick NRL players than other clubs in recent years?
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Re: Widdop’s family : Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:35 pm  
Yes, interesting question back, how do Wire avoid another occurrence?
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Re: Widdop’s family : Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:21 pm  
Third interesting question, have any of these players who have quit their contracts early, done anything else in their careers after that to make us regret them leaving?

The last one I can think of was David Kidwell, but that was 18 years ago, and around the time Kidwell went home we signed Westwood who was basically a better version of the type of player Kidwell went on to be in the NRL.

31 years ago, Greg Mackey going to Hull, but he redeemed himself by returning to us and giving us a number of good years' service.
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Re: Widdop’s family : Sun Nov 29, 2020 4:42 pm  
Steve Jackson turned into a GF hero in Oz, but some while ago. However, some have finished their careers with us and served us well. Hicks, Monaghan (X2), King and Hodgson for example.
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Re: Widdop’s family : Sun Nov 29, 2020 5:04 pm  
The Monaghans, King, Hodgson, Hicks were all very good examples of imports with great attitudes.

King and Michael Monaghan didn't have easy first years, but they didn't try to find exits to their contracts, even when the fans were getting on their case.

Hodgson was an example of a good safe Aussie signing as he had already been playing in SL and won Man of Steel, so we knew he was settled and his game suited SL.

Actually back then we used to sign Aussies with great attitudes. Nat Wood, Sid Domic, Darren Burns, all great. Appo, Michael Sullivan....less so, although they made sure they saw out their contracts and got their money rather than look for an exit. Brent Grose seemed unhappy here for his last couple of years, but he saw out his contract before going home and didn't cause a fuss.
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Re: Widdop’s family : Sun Nov 29, 2020 5:36 pm  
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The Monaghans, King, Hodgson, Hicks were all very good examples of imports with great attitudes.

King and Michael Monaghan didn't have easy first years, but they didn't try to find exits to their contracts, even when the fans were getting on their case.

Hodgson was an example of a good safe Aussie signing as he had already been playing in SL and won Man of Steel, so we knew he was settled and his game suited SL.

Actually back then we used to sign Aussies with great attitudes. Nat Wood, Sid Domic, Darren Burns, all great. Appo, Michael Sullivan....less so, although they made sure they saw out their contracts and got their money rather than look for an exit. Brent Grose seemed unhappy here for his last couple of years, but he saw out his contract before going home and didn't cause a fuss.


Which brings us to this four:
Asotasi - Went awol with his country competing in the last World Cup, before he arrived at the HJS. He had lost interest in RL, and never wanted to be here.
Sandow - Maverick who got on the wrong side of coaching staff in Oz. Great for a season, he then expected another NRL contract which didn't transpire then his head ended up in the proverbial shed.
Roberts - Never wanted to be here.
Widdop - Family came over and went home not long after, very likely influenced by Covid 19.

Asotasi and Roberts should never have come here, and were a total waste of time and money for our club. I'm amazed that our representatives didn't pick up on any lack of enthusiasm when they were in talks. Sandow was a gamble that worked for only 12 months, and then there's a passable excuse in Widdop's case.
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Re: Widdop’s family : Sun Nov 29, 2020 5:51 pm  
Yes, which also ties in with my point on one of the other threads about the decline in the quality of our recruitment, after Andy Gatcliffe left.
It was also around this time where we started signing English players like Wheeler, Westerman, Bailey.
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