Re: Tonights game. : Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:29 am  

Yeh saw that myself,he's done it every time i've saw him and nothing gets said

Re: Tonights game. : Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:32 am  

goodways sore chops wrote:

How can sam tomkins constantly abuse and moan at the ref without getting binned, could it be that steve gansons son plays for wigan and they don't want to upset the apple cart or just because it's tomkins

To be fair to ratboy he did manage to throw himself out of the way for at least two of your tries.

Re: Tonights game. : Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:49 am  

goodways sore chops wrote:

How can sam tomkins constantly abuse and moan at the ref without getting binned, could it be that steve gansons son plays for wigan and they don't want to upset the apple cart or just because it's tomkins

He probably picked up the habit from watching Lee Briers......

I'm always optimistic, but even i had given up that one..... You just seemed to fall apart.

Re: Tonights game. : Sat Sep 17, 2016 9:03 am  

I think Wigan showed us how to win when staring down the barrel of a gun. It's called a winning mentality. Saints have it in bucket loads too.

Re: Tonights game. : Sat Sep 17, 2016 9:23 am  

Smith more or less said we started playing differently when wigan went a man down,he's the coach he should have got off his booty and sorted it out rather than waiting till the games over.

Re: Tonights game. : Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:20 pm  

goodways sore chops wrote:

How can sam tomkins constantly abuse and moan at the ref without getting binned, could it be that steve gansons son plays for wigan and they don't want to upset the apple cart or just because it's tomkins

I guess you're not old enough to remember a chap called Briers, used to play for you...?

Re: Tonights game. : Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:29 pm  

WireWireWire wrote:

Yep, he didn't pass when we were wide open on the right. He threw the ball into touch in our own 40. He crabbed across the field while the rest of the team stood watching. He crept in field instead of staying on his man. These are the things that lost us the game in the last two that we were in control of. You know, the actual acts that decide a game. Direct your anger at the players, they got themselves into the good position and they frittered it away, end of story.

For yesterday alone, you're right. But, how many times have you men lost a major final against quality opposition under Smith? Every one? That speaks to the mentality coached into the side and that is Smith's responsibility.

Re: Tonights game. : Sat Sep 17, 2016 8:32 pm  

Suzy Banyon wrote:

For yesterday alone, you're right. But, how many times have you men lost a major final against quality opposition under Smith? Every one? That speaks to the mentality coached into the side and that is Smith's responsibility.

Does beating Leeds in two finals not count then?

Re: Tonights game. : Sun Sep 18, 2016 4:49 am  

Geoff,there's a difference between questioning decisions and telling the officials to f off every week.

Re: Tonights game. : Sun Sep 18, 2016 7:52 am  

DAG wrote:

Does beating Leeds in two finals not count then?

Actually those 2 games are prime examples. Warrington started the games and were the better team and then won comfortably. But when the other team is able to match warrington and show they can cause problems, or it's a relatively close game, warrington lose. Even some times warrington have squandered positions when they should have closed out an easy win.

That's the point, under Smith warrington will only win the trophy on the line games if they rack up a lead and the opposition is easily second best. Even simply racking up a lead has proven to not be sufficient because when the opposition have some fight warrington can't close it out.

Leeds have literally won 6 grand finals when it was knip and tuck right up until the last 10. You need to be able to do this to post titles. Warrington have consistently shown under smith an inability to do this and thus, zero titles.