Re: Rumours 2 : Fri Nov 16, 2018 3:59 pm  

I don't disagree RD, But you still need somebody to have an effective kicking game or you can't effectively manage the game and cause problems for the opposition. Brown isn't the worst half ever, he just isn't the answer either. I'd rather patton be starting at 7 next year than brown because I have absolutely no faith in browns last tackle plays.

Re: Rumours 2 : Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:29 pm  

CW8 wrote:

I don't disagree RD, But you still need somebody to have an effective kicking game or you can't effectively manage the game and cause problems for the opposition. Brown isn't the worst half ever, he just isn't the answer either. I'd rather patton be starting at 7 next year than brown because I have absolutely no faith in browns last tackle plays.

Therein lies the problem.
The NRL style defence that between top defence teams like Warrington and Wigan have....it's almost like tic tac toe.
Once you find yourself 10/15 out on the 5th....there's almost nothing can be done, as all the kick moves are anticipated and sniffed out.
We cannot hold Brown (for example) responsible for having to put in a forced kick and hoping for the defence to come up with an error.
It's not Brown's wholesale fault we have got into that situation.

I've said it before...likening Brown with a 5th tackle complete to kick is like blaming a goal keeper for not saving a penalty.
It's a responsibility he takes but it's odds against that we'd score or retain possession.
I'd like to see a stat that tell how many last tackle kick we scored trys off vs loss of possession, and a stat of last tackle try count compared to 1-4th in the set.

Re: Rumours 2 : Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:33 pm  

I'm still of the view that a team benefits from 2 halves that complement each other rather than mirror each other, (unless they are both adept in all skills).

Re: Rumours 2 : Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:38 pm  

rubber duckie wrote:

Therein lies the problem.
The NRL style defence that between top defence teams like Warrington and Wigan have....it's almost like tic tac toe.
Once you find yourself 10/15 out on the 5th....there's almost nothing can be done, as all the kick moves are anticipated and sniffed out.
We cannot hold Brown (for example) responsible for having to put in a forced kick and hoping for the defence to come up with an error.
It's not Brown's wholesale fault we have got into that situation.

I've said it before...likening Brown with a 5th tackle complete to kick is like blaming a goal keeper for not saving a penalty.
It's a responsibility he takes but it's odds against that we'd score or retain possession.
I'd like to see a stat that tell how many last tackle kick we scored trys off vs loss of possession, and a stat of last tackle try count compared to 1-4th in the set.

I agree really but you aren't going to convince me that brown is a good enough half to control where the game is played on the pitch or come up with last play options. He's a good player, he just isn't what we need to take the next step, let's face it we didn't sign him because we identified him as the right player for us, we signed him because sandow left us desperate and he was the best available.

Re: Rumours 2 : Fri Nov 16, 2018 4:40 pm  

Captain Hook wrote:

I'm still of the view that a team benefits from 2 halves that complement each other rather than mirror each other, (unless they are both adept in all skills).

This is what I'm saying... I know we play left and right channels, all teams halves do. What I was alluding to is the fact that Brown doesn't have a decent positional kicking game and Patton doesn't effectively organise the attack.

I haven't seen much of Austin apart from his footwork so I guess we'll have to see if he as a great all-round game. I'm not just being a moaner by the way, I think it's a genuine concern.

Re: Rumours 2 : Fri Nov 16, 2018 5:46 pm  

CW8 wrote:

I agree really but you aren't going to convince me that brown is a good enough half to control where the game is played on the pitch or come up with last play options. He's a good player, he just isn't what we need to take the next step, let's face it we didn't sign him because we identified him as the right player for us, we signed him because sandow left us desperate and he was the best available.

OK...
It might be easier for you to convince me why our left side channel was largely more dominant and effective than our right and how Brown wasn't a contributing factor?

Re: Rumours 2 : Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:44 pm  

Uncle Rico wrote:

Sorry MPN I'm going to (slightly) disagree as "squad filler" to me suggests that he will fill in ONLY as cover?

Whereas I might agree he's not in the starting 17 day one, the difference, admittedly founded on hope rather than 100% surity based on watching him week in week out, is that he has the potential to perform at a level to keep the shirt if Price operates a squad based on meritocracy....a subtle step up from squad filler fingers crossed

There will be opportunities for most of the squad at one point or another during a season, and it should depend on performance as to whether a shirt is kept or not. That goes for our starting 17 too.

Re: Rumours 2 : Fri Nov 16, 2018 6:48 pm  

rubber duckie wrote:

Im shocked at how suddenly Brown has become the world's worst rugby player on here.


Heavens sake he was the England hb last season. In comparison to fbook, I thought posters on here had more measured opinions.

I've never been a fan of KB, which I'm sure you'll have twigged by now. A panic buy due to Sandow doing one, never the right fit and now way too slow.

Re: Rumours 2 : Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:40 pm  

New Zealand in the last test didn't split their halves. They followed each other around and caused total havoc. Their kicking game wasn't too shabby either.

Re: Rumours 2 : Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:59 pm  

Terry Griffiths wrote:

New Zealand in the last test didn't split their halves. They followed each other around and caused total havoc. Their kicking game wasn't too shabby either.

Sorry....who did you say won the series?